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1. ukprog+0p[view] [source] 2025-08-10 20:18:31
>>tokai+(OP)
HN applauds this vibe-coded “privacy” site yet condemns decentralized messaging.

States control what’s centralized; incentives ensure they keep doing so.

Protesting it is like arguing with a thermostat—it can’t hear you, and it’s built to tighten control.

As technologists, we have a lot more power than we realise.

(Yes, I’m speaking to the blob, but the Venn overlap of anti-crypto and pro-this seems big.)

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2. sunaoo+K71[view] [source] 2025-08-11 04:27:28
>>ukprog+0p
>decentralized messaging

This doesn't help, Chat Control scanner run directly on your device. It doesn't matter which chat program you use.

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3. ukprog+J91[view] [source] 2025-08-11 05:05:17
>>sunaoo+K71
Incorrect

> ... providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content [1]

Even if that were the case, the answer is the Framework phone

[1] https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

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4. sunaoo+kK1[view] [source] 2025-08-11 11:46:10
>>ukprog+J91
>On 11 May 2022 the European Commission presented a proposal which would make chat control searching mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers and would even apply to so far securely end-to-end encrypted communication services

And scanning end-to-end encrypted is only possible on-device.

And of course the next step is that the EU will mandate that every device needs to implement this scanning, they are very aggressive with this stuff. Framework phone won't help you in this case, this is obviously the next step. That's why we have to fight against it. Reminder that soon online age verification with an app that can only be downloaded from the Play Store and used within a "trusted environment" (e.g. SafetyNet) will be mandatory.

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