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1. dj2ste+j4[view] [source] 2012-09-04 01:41:06
>>rbanff+(OP)
Wow, talk about being out of touch with the real world. Developers, especially Linux developers, really need to give up on this whole "Desktop" operating system idea. It's not going to work. It is already dead. And I can hardly believe we are still using these ancient systems for many tasks even today. There is no future in WIMP, and people really need to stop developing these Windows clones already. It was lame 10 years ago. If you are still working on desktop OS clones today, you so are terribly out of touch with the real world there really is no hope for you or your product. Get over it.

Touch-based (and by extension, NUI-based) OS'es and mobile applications are the future. Windows always sucked. Mac OS always sucked. Every desktop OS ever built sucked because it is a horrible way to use a computer. Nobody ever really wanted to use these terrible desktop metaphor systems... they only ever did because they had to.

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2. virapt+v4[view] [source] 2012-09-04 01:47:37
>>dj2ste+j4
I think you're missing the context here. This system is not about UI. It's not about desktop experience either. It's about making sure your email client is so separated from your $BUSINESS_APPLICATION, that exploiting one does not allow you to access anything on the other - and doing that without relying on handcrafted libvirt configs and hopefully without much processing overhead.

I guess the desktop environment was just a random choice of "this works, so just leave it in" from whatever distribution they started with.

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3. mike-c+Zm[view] [source] 2012-09-04 09:46:12
>>virapt+v4
This is what AppArmor and SELinux are for.
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4. virapt+kn[view] [source] 2012-09-04 09:57:59
>>mike-c+Zm
In many cases yes, but there are additional issues Qubes is taking care of. For example AppArmor could only restrict your access to Xorg completely - but once you have access, you can read anything from the screen.
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