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>>mmaria+(OP)
Destroy cultural integrity, national identity, create a low-trust society, become more authoritarian to manage low-trust society, import more immigrants at an exponential rate while house costs rise along with unemployment. The list keeps going. This is why far-right is surging on the polls. The country has completely lost all sense.

>>passwo+Pu
Incredible that you’ve managed to bring this conversation to immigration. In fact, it sounds like you’re saying the root cause of this crappy policy is somehow immigrants.

Far fetched and not cool.

>>nindal+1x
Everyone always wants to bring it back to immigration, because they've seen US ICE snatch squads and internment camps and decide that they want some of that here.

>>pjc50+Wp1
It's very difficult to build a growing economy when you have mass unskilled immigration combined with free healthcare and a generous welfare system.

>>Veen+Lt1
Immigrants can't claim welfare, beyond the tiny asylum seeker payment, and the healthcare system is dependent on immigration for staff.

>>pjc50+tB1
Total benefit in dollar value for a typical illegal immigrant in Los Angeles with a wife and three children

-------- Cash-like income

• CA Earned Income Tax Credit (CalEITC) 2,400 ‑ 3 qualifying kids and earned income around $20 k → ~$2 000 CA + $400 YCTC add-on.

• Young Child Tax Credit (YCTC) under age 6 $1,080

• County “Breathe” Guaranteed Income Pilot $1,000

• Child Tax Credit (federal, kids=U.S. citizens) $6,000

• CalWORKs Stage 1 child-care voucher (parent copay $0) $8,500

• Los Angeles County General Relief (“GR”, undocumented adult) $2,348/yr 221 × 12 ≈ $2 650; actual monthly household max 2 adults = $442 (LAC DPSS 2023 schedule). Family with kids rarely gets full GR cash, so book 50 % = $2 348.

-------- Food

• CalFresh for 3 citizen kids $8,940

Max allotment for 3 children household = $780 / mo × 12.

Housing-subsidy value (Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher)

• Local Payment Standard (3-br in Central LA, 2024) 28,640 FMR $2 655 / mo × 12. Actual voucher covers 26 600 after utility allowance; market-value differential is tax-free.

-------- Medical care (only the kids qualify under “Restricted Medi-Cal”):

• Children’s Medi-Cal (MC+) HMO PMPM $3,600 ~ $3 000 capitation + dental + mental health wrapped.

-------- Education / daycare substitutes

• State Preschool slots, 3-4-year-olds (county rate) $8,520 6.5 hrs/day × 180 days × $14.50/hr teacher-cost ≈ $8 520 “value”.

• Title-I supplemental services at public school $1,500

-------- Energy / utility

• LADWP low-income discount (ELECTRIC, $0.11/kWh credit) $720

• SoCalGas CARE discount (≈20 %) $240

-------- Transportation

• LADOT universal student pass (DASH), 3 riders $360

TOTAL ANNUAL BENEFIT VALUE

Cash/benefits truly delivered: $2 400 + 1 080 + 1 000 + 6 000 + 8 500 + 2 348 + 8 940 + 28 640 + 3 600 + 8 520 + 1 500 + 720 + 240 + 360 = $73 848 / year

Market-value package ≈ $74 k rounded.

>>greena+kk2
Is this actually what a typical immigrant is getting, or did you just pull this straight out of your ass? Who is actually getting these benefits to this degree? Do we not understand that it's very difficult to apply for a lot of these and most people don't know how to do it?

Also, elephant in the room: California has the 4th highest GDP in the world. Clearly, what they're doing is working. So well that they provide what, 1.5x more federal dollars than they take?

I mean, Louisiana doesn't provide jack shit to nobody. And how's their economy holding up? Anybody check on them recently? Last I checked, despite providing fuck-all, Louisiana isn't even breaking even with federal dollars, let alone touching California's 1.5x ratio.