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1. patcht+6a[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:19:50
>>pabs3+(OP)
GrapheneOS says

"European authoritarians and their enablers in the media are misrepresenting GrapheneOS and even Pixel phones as if they're something for criminals. GrapheneOS is opposed to the mass surveillance police state these people want to impose on everyone"

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784469162979608

State employees in their official capacity making inaccurate claims to media about GrapheneOS to smear it as being for criminals and as the users as largely being criminals is a state sponsored attack on the GrapheneOS project.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114813613250805804

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2. johnis+nb[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:27:44
>>patcht+6a
And at the same time:

> GrapheneOS is not immune to exploitation, but the fearmongering done in these ongoing attacks on it is very clearly fabricated. They feel threatened enough by GrapheneOS to engage in coordinated attempts at convincing people that it's unable to protect their privacy and security.

So... they (cops and friends) are saying that GrapheneOS is for criminals, AND that it does not work at protecting anyone's privacy and is not for security. Amazing.

See: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784553445461948 and the rest.

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3. kspace+le[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:45:13
>>johnis+nb
Fridges are for criminals too. The very good ones can keep the severed body parts cold for longer, thus preventing spoilage and reports of foul odours from downstairs neighbours. Will Frigidaire and Bosch stop selling this criminal technology to criminals?
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4. johnis+jn[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:31:43
>>kspace+le
UK should have an answer to that (see: knives). :D

They really are absurd.

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5. paulry+so[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:36:45
>>johnis+jn
Can I take a moment to say how jealous I am that the UK's mass attack problem is largely about knives and not guns?

Here in the land of more-guns-than-humans it feels so much more bleak.

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6. johnis+1q[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:45:25
>>paulry+so
Yeah, but knives have a wide range of use, whereas guns do not.

You cannot buy a kitchen knife because people MAY use it cause harm.

It is like forbidding the use of roads because it MAY be used to <insert illegal activity here>. Uses (usage?) of roads are even more broad than uses of knives.

I think it is easier to argue in favor of knives (or against the prohibition of ... of knives) than guns, for this reason alone.

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7. olddus+ls[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:57:52
>>johnis+1q
> You cannot buy a kitchen knife because people MAY use it cause harm.

Yes I can. I have knives I bought recently in my kitchen.

How could you possibly believe that people in the UK can't buy knives? Do you realise how foolish that sounds?

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8. johnis+Qu[view] [source] 2025-07-23 16:10:39
>>olddus+ls
> Do you realise how foolish that sounds?

The irony.

Just as foolish as these ways are to prevent violence.

These criminals might switch to forks, better get your Government get one step ahead of them.

And no, you cannot buy kitchen knives if you are under a certain age, it is ought to prevent a lot of crimes, I am sure.

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9. subscr+ZI[view] [source] 2025-07-23 17:25:14
>>johnis+Qu
If you were to carry sharpened pencil and stopped by police claimed it's for self defense, you might get arrested: https://www.askthe.police.uk/faq/?id=fefeb701-3a75-ed11-81ac...

No spray, no airgun, no folding mace, absolutely nothing can be used in self defense.

Except for the alarm.

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10. giantg+tC1[view] [source] 2025-07-23 23:27:00
>>subscr+ZI
The part that baffles me is that there is a right to self defense that the courts seem to acknowledge, that some cases find a person justified in using a weapon/tool that just happens to be at their disposal at the time of an attack, but having a similar tool/weapon for the purpose of defense is not allowable, even something as simple as spray.
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11. hluska+AK1[view] [source] 2025-07-24 00:43:00
>>giantg+tC1
In most countries, the default is whether the person had a lawful reason to be carrying the weapon used and that the defense is proportional to the attack. There’s nothing insane about that - there’s zero reason to arm yourself and millions of reasons not to.
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12. giantg+sR1[view] [source] 2025-07-24 01:57:38
>>hluska+AK1
"whether the person had a lawful reason to be carrying the weapon used"

But that's the point - if the courts have found that defense is lawful, then it becomes a question of why it's possession (not even use and proportionality) would not be. Then you end up in a weird state where people can make up reasons to have a hammer or something else on them rather than have something potentially more reasonable/effective like pepper spray. Allowing some limited non-lethal tool seems reasonable if defense is actually something to support.

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