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1. patcht+6a[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:19:50
>>pabs3+(OP)
GrapheneOS says

"European authoritarians and their enablers in the media are misrepresenting GrapheneOS and even Pixel phones as if they're something for criminals. GrapheneOS is opposed to the mass surveillance police state these people want to impose on everyone"

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784469162979608

State employees in their official capacity making inaccurate claims to media about GrapheneOS to smear it as being for criminals and as the users as largely being criminals is a state sponsored attack on the GrapheneOS project.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114813613250805804

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2. johnis+nb[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:27:44
>>patcht+6a
And at the same time:

> GrapheneOS is not immune to exploitation, but the fearmongering done in these ongoing attacks on it is very clearly fabricated. They feel threatened enough by GrapheneOS to engage in coordinated attempts at convincing people that it's unable to protect their privacy and security.

So... they (cops and friends) are saying that GrapheneOS is for criminals, AND that it does not work at protecting anyone's privacy and is not for security. Amazing.

See: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114784553445461948 and the rest.

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3. kspace+le[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:45:13
>>johnis+nb
Fridges are for criminals too. The very good ones can keep the severed body parts cold for longer, thus preventing spoilage and reports of foul odours from downstairs neighbours. Will Frigidaire and Bosch stop selling this criminal technology to criminals?
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4. johnis+jn[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:31:43
>>kspace+le
UK should have an answer to that (see: knives). :D

They really are absurd.

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5. paulry+so[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:36:45
>>johnis+jn
Can I take a moment to say how jealous I am that the UK's mass attack problem is largely about knives and not guns?

Here in the land of more-guns-than-humans it feels so much more bleak.

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6. johnis+1q[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:45:25
>>paulry+so
Yeah, but knives have a wide range of use, whereas guns do not.

You cannot buy a kitchen knife because people MAY use it cause harm.

It is like forbidding the use of roads because it MAY be used to <insert illegal activity here>. Uses (usage?) of roads are even more broad than uses of knives.

I think it is easier to argue in favor of knives (or against the prohibition of ... of knives) than guns, for this reason alone.

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7. olddus+ls[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:57:52
>>johnis+1q
> You cannot buy a kitchen knife because people MAY use it cause harm.

Yes I can. I have knives I bought recently in my kitchen.

How could you possibly believe that people in the UK can't buy knives? Do you realise how foolish that sounds?

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8. Anonbr+0j1[view] [source] 2025-07-23 20:53:44
>>olddus+ls
Under 16s in the UK can't buy kitchen knives, and that's an ok balance for me
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9. johnis+nz1[view] [source] 2025-07-23 23:01:56
>>Anonbr+0j1
Yeah, but does it really prevent knife crimes?

Additionally, it is OK for you, because it might not be of interest to you, but given that the UK is doing all sorts of absurd stuff, what would happen if they did something absurd with regarding to the thing you like?

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10. paulry+XG1[view] [source] 2025-07-24 00:02:46
>>johnis+nz1
> Yeah, but does it really prevent knife crimes?

It likely reduces knife crime. Much as denying sales of lighters and flamable fluids to minors makes fires started by children less likely. (This deeply offended me as an adolescent who enjoyed burning things.)

Is there a benefit to society of allowing minors to buy knives?

We don't have laws to make bad things like murder completely impossible. We do it to make them less likely.

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11. johnis+cJ1[view] [source] 2025-07-24 00:26:24
>>paulry+XG1
Okay, but not selling knives to kids really reduces knife crime? I wonder by how much, if at all. I am having difficulties believing it does.

Fires though, I can definitely believe it does prevent some arson.

> Is there a benefit to society of allowing minors to buy knives?

The default is "no ban". You need an argument the other way around. I think it is a silly question by itself. Is there a benefit to society of allowing people to skydive?

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