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1. Tyyps+b5[view] [source] 2025-07-23 13:50:34
>>pabs3+(OP)
The anti-privacy movement in Europe is really concerning. In particular as general population don't really care about it, we are going toward some major shifts. I'm wondering though how this radical turn was initiated and if some lobbies are pulling the strings behind the scene...
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2. 0point+c8[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:09:15
>>Tyyps+b5
> In particular as general population don't really care about it

> if some lobbies are pulling the strings

Sure looks like it. Many people don't understand the consequences of the ChatControl proposition (backdoors for governments into all messaging apps) [1].

Politicians insists it is only about protecting kids from predators online, but see for example Sweden:

* Police and secret police will have this access for swedish citizens.

* Secret police have an agreement with NSA about data sharing (see Snowden).

* NSA will end up storing all my DM:s.

* Another country also have an agreement with NSA about data sharing.

* This other country will find out about my sexual orientation or political beliefs the moment I board a plane to their country.

All of this will be outside of control from my country or the laws of my country (Sweden), that is supposed to protect my free speech [2] and anti discrimination laws [3].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb...

2: https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/sven...

3: https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/sven...

F*k Ylva Johansson:

> Research by several newspapers led to allegations of questionable connections between Johansson and her staff and companies that would benefit financially from her proposal, including Thorn and WeProtect.

> Johansson rejected the accusations as being untrue, true but not illegal and as not even being accusations.

> Her claim to have given data protection organizations the same access as to the backers of her proposal was rejected as untrue by several organizations and members of the EU parliament. Johansson reacted to growing rejection of her proposal by ordering commercial advertisement on Twitter paid for with EU funds. The advertisement was criticized as being misleading and illegal according to the EU's rules for targeted advertisement. [4]

4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ylva_Johansson#Surveillance_of...

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3. jajko+hb[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:27:07
>>0point+c8
One can't rely on some sort of 'decency' of a given country and hope for the best, that ship has long sailed.

You mention Sweden, I can easily also name Switzerland, the land of generally very decent, moral and polite people. Yet sometimes curtains falls off a bit and one can see how various police departments will do everything possible to track and follow people. Police are generally very nice but I've also seen some unprovoked brutality and generally less-than-stellar behavior by various authorities that should know and do better.

Protect what you can, while you can. No state is your friend, its not normally an outright enemy but rather a party focused on its own interests, your rights or needs be damned.

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4. lo_zam+Ld[view] [source] 2025-07-23 14:42:14
>>jajko+hb
> Police are generally very nice but I've also seen some unprovoked brutality

The so-called israelization[0] of the police. Certainly you see that in the US. If you compare the local police, say, 50 years ago with their counterparts today, you definitely notice a strong militarization. That may be appropriate for special units handling dangerous cases, but it should not characterize the rank and file that handle petty crime or public disorder.

> No state is your friend, its not normally an outright enemy but rather a party focused on its own interests

The state is the only recourse of the common man against powerful private interests. In this case (surveillance, etc), private interest has been used as a way to get around the legal limitations of government. Companies like Google and Facebook can track people with greater ease than the government can.

[0] https://www.amnestyusa.org/blog/with-whom-are-many-u-s-polic...

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5. octopo+tm[view] [source] 2025-07-23 15:27:35
>>lo_zam+Ld
I have in the past often advocated for more training for police, so I have to say this is an eye opener for sure. Thanks for posting this.

The question I have is, why?? I assume some Israelis or people with ties to Israel who wanted Israel to have influence over the US police. (But why?)

I doubt it was a big thing like “gee, you know what Israel can export? Police brutality!” “Hey that’s a great idea!”

But that’s kind of how it comes across.

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