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>>haskel+(OP)
"We need to stop pretending that flooding the labor market with foreign workers is somehow beneficial to American students."

I do not think anyone is making that point. Clearly a gated and scarce employee pool is always in the advantage of the employee.

You can agree or not, but the point is expanded availability of highly skilled labor from CS Graduates benefits the US companies hiring them, not just by removing some scarcity in the supply, but also having an expanded talent pool increases quality available.

From a geo political perspective, would you rather have these people working to build up US industry, or have them starting and staffing competition in their home countries? "Brain drain" fueled by unlimited reserve currency dollars is very real.

Lastly, those non-US graduates pay a very hefty sum for the 'privilege' of attending school in the US. Having worked with academics from around the globe, including US, I can state with some certainty the US degree courses are not qualitatively very different from what is available elsewhere at a fraction of the cost (US education costs are insane!). But they do carry the implicit promise of an easyer way to higher paying US jobs.

So all in all, everyone in the US benefits from the system, except the lower 66th percentile of native US CS graduates.

>>PeterS+zs
> do not think anyone is making that point.

There are a whole lot of weasels who are adding a bunch of filler words and alternate phrasing to stuff that amounts to something akin to that point or some point built around that core.

>From a geo political perspective, would you rather have these people working to build up US industry,

If it tears the nation apart what does it matter?

>Lastly, those non-US graduates pay a very hefty sum for the 'privilege' of attending school in the US.

First off, most H1B workers do not have american degrees so this blanket assertion is laughable on its face.

Second, even when they do have US degrees enriches institutions and people that at best about half the country approves of and approximately nobody not getting paid by them approves of the economic model of.

>except the lower 66th percentile of native US CS graduates.

Now reconcile this with the prevailing HN wisdom that the american middle class ought to pay a lot of taxes to benefit the lower classes as is the case in europe.

What makes one ok but not the other? This nation is in the shit is is because of you and people like you who adopt or condone policy positions based on something other than principals.

>>potato+Qt
> If it tears the nation apart what does it matter?

At this point, software job opportunities are pretty low on the list of things tearing the nation apart.

>>pcthro+Fx
This is exactly the opposite of reality. It's always been the economy. It's always been jobs. Everything else, no matter how important and worthy in other ways, is ultimately subservient in the long run, in the context of national mood/wellbeing/politics. Everything else can be traced to some degree back to jobs. Jobs are what primarily drives every single person's life experience and therefore, directly or indirectly, everything else.