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1. lemonc+ec[view] [source] 2025-06-28 10:30:42
>>ahmetc+(OP)
The comment section in the article is revolting. I don't know if they're state actors, or if they're real people with those beliefs, but my god.
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2. ben_w+vh[view] [source] 2025-06-28 11:48:20
>>lemonc+ec
> I don't know if they're state actors, or if they're real people with those beliefs

Both. And also trolls, and these days GenAI.

Some say "Never again means now", with the flag of Israel, and no sense of irony or hypocrisy. I wonder if any say the same words with the flag of Palestine? Hamas is still also genocidal, with their leaders giving similar comments about all Jews as the current Israel coalition members give about Palestinians.

When elephants fight, it’s the grass that suffers. The IDF and Hamas are the elephants, and there are many innocent civilians (metaphorically grass) suffering because of it. The supremely dominant power of the IDF means the suffering grass is overwhelmingly on one side of a border that Israel doesn't recognise, but there are innocents everywhere.

I don't have any answers. I have learned to recognise this kind of mindset, but I cannot find words to act as levers to change those minds.

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3. cropci+Rm[view] [source] 2025-06-28 12:44:29
>>ben_w+vh
Your comment is full of attempts to justify, excuse and underplay what the IDF are doing and many Israelis believe in. From Hamas to GenAI to trolls.

Whatever the historical record that brought us here, the fact is, Israel's standing army (not some personal goons of some dictator, the standing army of a moden democratic nation), appear to be practically all in on executing a systemic genocide. And I don't think there's anyway you can justify or underplay that.

Maybe the answer you're looking for is that good people anywhere shouldn't let anyone sell them a holocaust no matter the deal.

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4. navane+Hq[view] [source] 2025-06-28 13:23:20
>>cropci+Rm
Fwiw, I don't read any excuse or justification in parents post. The fact is that the IDF are (right now) more effective than Hamas in exterminating the other party.
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5. cropci+1v[view] [source] 2025-06-28 14:10:53
>>navane+Hq
What you're saying is completely true. But I like to think that most Israelis believe that the other party doesn't include the countless civilians that were killed so far and are facing dire starvation right now. Israeli people should not let their grief and their fear prevent them from saying no from those amongst them that want to do terrible things.
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