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1. alansa+dK[view] [source] 2025-06-07 00:34:10
>>amrrs+(OP)
I have a somewhat similar point of view to the one voiced by other people, but I like to think about it slightly differently, so I'll chime in - here's my take (although, admittedly, I'm operating with a quite small reasoning budget (5 minutes tops)):

Time and again, for centuries - with the pace picking up dramatically in recent decades - we thought we were special and we were wrong. Sun does not rotate around the earth, which is a pretty typical planet, with the same chemical composition of any other planet. All of a sudden we're not the only ones who could calculate, then solve symbolic equations, then play chess, then compose music, then talk, then reason (up to a point, for some definition of "reason"). You get my point.

And when we were not only matched, but dramatically surpassed in these tasks (and not a day earlier), we concluded that they weren't _really_ what made us special.

At this point, it seems to me reasonable to assume we're _not_ special, and the onus should be on anybody claiming that we are to at least attempt to mention in passing what is the secret sauce that we have (even if we can't quite say what it is without handwaving or using concepts that by definition can not be defined - "qualia is the indescribable feeling of red - its redness (?)).

Oh, and sorry, I could never quite grasp what "sentient" is supposed to mean - would we be able to tell we're not sentient if we weren't?

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2. keifer+211[view] [source] 2025-06-07 04:37:25
>>alansa+dK
This analogy doesn’t really work, because the former examples are ones in which humanity discovered that it existed in a larger world.

The recent AI example is humanity building, or attempting to build, a tool complex enough to mimic a human being.

If anything, you could use recent AI developments as proof of humanity’s uniqueness - what other animal is creating things of such a scale and complexity?

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