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>>tablet+(OP)
It's fascinating how over the past year we have had almost daily posts like this one, yet from the outside everything looks exactly the same, isn't that very weird?

Why haven't we seen an explosion of new start-ups, products or features? Why do we still see hundreds of bug tickets on every issue tracking page? Have you noticed anything different on any changelog?

I invite tptacek, or any other chatbot enthusiast around, to publish project metrics and show some actual numbers.

>>pera+2u1
Your argument relies on the idea of an "actual product", what is happening—and I’m seeing it firsthand both in my company’s codebase and in my personal projects—is that AI is contributing more and more to product development. If this trend continues, we may reach a point where 90% of a product is written by AI.

At that stage, the real value will lie in the remaining 10%—the part that requires human judgment, creativity, or architectural thinking. The rest will be seen as routine: simple instructions, redundant CRUD operations, boilerplate, and glue code.

If we focus only on the end result, human will inevitably write less code overall. And writing less code means fewer programming jobs.

>>deadma+zU1
You said a bunch without saying much. It also doesn't track. If the majority of AI work is supposed to be done by agents, capable of doing the entire process including making PRs. Then, why isn't there an explosion in such PRs on a large amount of open source projects? Even more so, why am I not seeing these PRs on AI related open source projects? If I need to target it even more directly, why am I a not seeing hints of this being applied on code agent repositories?

Call me naive, but you'd think that these specifically want to demonstrate how well their product works. Making an effort to distinguish PRs that are largely the work of their own agents. Yet, I am not seeing that.

I have no doubt that people find use in some aspects of these tools. Though I personally more subscribe to the interactive rubber ducky usage of them. But 90% from where I am standing seems like a very, very far way off.

>>creesc+dZ1
More than likely loads of the PR’s you see _are_ mostly AI work, you just don’t know that because the developers cleaned it up and just post it as their own. Most PR’s where I work are like this, from what I see from speaking to the developers.

>>jama21+5B6
We must be moving in different circles as I am not seeing the same. Even if I went along with that reasoning it ignores the lack of highly visible work on projects that would want to advertise the effectiveness of their own tooling.

As I already said, I see a distinct lack of such labeled activity on open source ai code tools.

You'd think that those projects creating agentic tooling would want to show how effective they are. In fact, I would expect the people behind such projects to be all over threads like this pointing to tangible PRs, commits and other tasks these agents can apparently do so well.

Yet, all I am getting as pushback is vague handwaving "trust me, I am seeing it" claims. Even the blog post itself is nothing but that.