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>>tablet+(OP)
One thing that really bothered me that the author glossed over (perhaps they don't care, given the tone of the article) is where they said:

> Does an intern cost $20/month? Because that’s what Cursor.ai costs.

> Part of being a senior developer is making less-able coders productive, be they fleshly or algebraic.

But do you know what another part of being a senior developer is? Not just making them more productive, but also guiding the junior developers into becoming better, independent, self-tasking, senior coders. And that feedback loop doesn't exist here.

We're robbing ourselves of good future developers, because we aren't even thinking about the fact that the junior devs are actively learning from the small tasks we give them.

Will AI completely replace devs before we all retire? Maybe. Maybe not.

But long before that, the future coders who aren't being hired and trained because a senior dev doesn't understand that the junior devs become senior devs (and that's an important pipeline) and would rather pay $20/month for an LLM, are going to become a major loss/ brain drain domestically.

>>ang_ci+ae1
Further, Cursor might cost $20/month today, but to what degree is that subsidized by VC investment? All the information we have points to frontier models just not being profitable to run at those types of prices, and those investors are going to want a return at some point.

>>xmodem+Ut1
the market will indeed balance this out. remember when a taxi was $20 and an uber $5? now an uber is $25. nobody is going to go back to humans with all their wet meat sack problems, we will get more value for it, but it aint gona stay $5 if those putting up all this capital have anything to do with it. then again, we might get cheap, self hostable local copies (unless theyre made illegal for "safety" or some bullshit)

>>modzu+Zy1
I think the most likely thing is the cheap self hostable copies will broadly stop improving significantly. It'll be too costly for a community project to distill a bleeding edge cloud model and companies will stop releasing them. What's free now will remain free, we might even get another gen or 2 of improvements (possibly with diminishing returns) on free/cheap local models but those days are numbered.

>>captai+jE1
What's the force that you see keeping those days numbered? Many ollama models are runnable on a local laptop, and models like deepseek even more so. Aside from open source interest, there are many large state and corporate actors who would like to see models commoditized.

>>awkwar+ht2
The only real wild card to me is state sponsorship. Everywhere else I expect such a capital intensive tech industry to approach winner (or maybe duopoly) takes all over time.

My view is that right now, because of the willingness of corporations and other investors to swallow short term (but massive) losses on this, we're basically in AI fiscal fantasy land.

The question we should be asking is how do we get access to these local models in the first place? It's all based on the work of these hyper expensive base models as the best small models are quantisations and distills. None of this works as soon as the profit motive comes into play and companies start gatekeeping effectively, which they will.