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1. jhanco+KH[view] [source] 2025-06-03 02:44:22
>>tablet+(OP)
I'm not a skeptic, but I keep LLMs on a short leash.

This is a thoughtful article. Thanks `tptacek

My LLM use is: 1 - tedious stuff; web pages interacting with domain back end. 2 - domain discovery.

In a recent adventure, I used Claude 4 to tease out parameters in a large graph schema. This is a combination of tedium and domain discovery (it's not my graph and I'm not a domain expert). In the first day, Claude uncovered attributes and relations no other LLM or Google search uncovered. And it worked!! The next day, I allowed it to continue. After a bit, results didn't pass the sniff test.

I checked into details of Claude's thinking: it decided to start making up schema attributes and inventing fallback queries on error with more made up attributes. It was "conscious" of its decision to do so. By the time I caught this, Claude had polluted quite a bit of code. Sure, plenty of well placed git commits helped in rolling back code...but it's not quite that simple..over the many git commits were sprinkled plenty of learnings I don't want to toss. It took another two days of carefully going through the code to pull out the good stuff and then roll things back. So now I'm at day five of this adventure with cleaned up code and notes on what we learned.

I suspect continual improvements on tooling will help. Until then, it's a short leash.

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2. wrapti+aI[view] [source] 2025-06-03 02:49:28
>>jhanco+KH
Domain discovery is so underrated. LLMs remove so much friction that makes everything so incredibly accessible.

If LLMs couldn't do anything else then that alone would still warrant an invention of a century sticker.

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3. epicco+qM[view] [source] 2025-06-03 03:43:30
>>wrapti+aI
Couldn't agree more. The first time I used Claude Code was for something very much like this. We had a PDF rendering issue with Unicode characters in one of our libraries. We ultimately needed to implement a sort of bespoke font fallback system.

With the help of the agent, I was able to iterate through several potential approaches and find the gaps and limitations within the space of an afternoon. By the time we got to the end of that process the LLM wrote up a nice doc of notes on the experiments, and *I* knew what I wanted to do next. Knowing that, I was able to give a more detailed and specific prompt to Claude which then scaffolded out a solution. I spent probably another day tweaking, testing, and cleaning up.

Overall I think it's completely fair to say that Claude saved me a week of dev time on this particular task. The amount of reading and learning and iterating I'd have had to do to get the same result would have just taken 3-4 days of work. (not to mention the number of hours I might have wasted when I got stuck and scrolled HN for an hour or whatever).

So it still needed my discernment and guidance - but there's no question that I moved through the process much quicker than I would have unassisted.

That's worth the $8 in API credit ten times over and no amount of parroting the "stochastic parrot" phrase (see what I did there?) would change my mind.

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4. whatno+9V[view] [source] 2025-06-03 05:25:29
>>epicco+qM
Yes, that’s true and very cool but you’re an expert. Where do the next generation you’s come from? The ones that did not do weeks of dead-end research which built resilience, skill and the experience to tell Claude now saves them time? You cannot skip that admittedly tedious part of life for free.

I think pro-AI people sometimes forget/ignore the second order effects on society. I worry about that.

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5. lukan+x51[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:10:22
>>whatno+9V
On the other hand, I remember lots of stupid beginners questions I had, when learning to programm. My peers did not know them either and I had to wait sometimes days for the opportunity to ask someone advanced who knew. Blocking my progress.

(Asking online was a possibility, but instead of helpful answers, insults for being newb was the standard response)

With a LLM I would have had a likely correct answer immediately.

And yes, yes what if it is wrong?

Well, I was also taught plenty of wrong stuff from human teachers as well. I learned to think for myself. I doubt anyone decently smart who now grews up with those tools, think they are flawless.

In the end, you are responsible for the product. If it works, if it passes the tests, you succeeded. That did not change.

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6. pxc+Q83[view] [source] 2025-06-03 21:51:11
>>lukan+x51
When I was a beginner programmer, I was 13 years old. I remember noticing that one kid in our class managed to do and use things that no one else in our class did. I asked him how, and he said "it's built-in, I read about it right here" and pointed to the Java API docs.

Assuming you're literate, there's no age or skill level at which it's necessary to get stuck churning on beginner-level questions. The option to RTFM is always available, right from the start.

To this day, readiness to RTFM (along with RTDS: read the damn source) is the biggest factor I can identify in the technical competency of my peers.

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7. lukan+aL3[view] [source] 2025-06-04 05:33:03
>>pxc+Q83
So you say, you are a great autodidact. Good for you.

Well, I guess I am, too, but I still see great value in asking specific questions to competent persons.

Or don't you think asking teachers/instructors questions is helpful?

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8. whatno+yV3[view] [source] 2025-06-04 07:40:26
>>lukan+aL3
I can’t remember ever asking a question and getting a helpful answer to be completely honest..

I feel weird when I read about people needing support. Maybe there is something wrong with me.

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