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>>tablet+(OP)
I’d love to see the authors of effusive praise of generative AI like this provide the proof of the unlimited powers of their tools in code. If GAI (or agents, or whatever comes next …) is so effective it should be quite simple to prove that by creating an AI only company and in short order producing huge amounts of serviceable code to do useful things. So far I’ve seen no sign of this, and the best use case seems to be generating text or artwork which fools humans into thinking it has coherent meaning as our minds love to fill gaps and spot patterns even where there are none. It’s also pretty good at reproducing things it has seen with variations - that can be useful.

So far in my experience watching small to medium sized companies try to use it for real work, it has been occasionally useful for exploring apis, odd bits of knowledge etc, but overall wasted more time than it has saved. I see very few signs of progress.

The time has come for llm users to put up or shut up - if it’s so great, stop telling us and show and use the code it generated on its own.

>>grey-a+ba
Yeah exactly.

Whats nuts is watching all these people shill for something that we all have used to mediocre results. Obviously Fly.io benefits if people start hosting tons of slopped together AI projects on their platform.

Its kinda sad to watch what I thought was a good company shill for AI. Even if they are not directly getting money from some PR contract.

We must not be prompting hard enough....

>>citize+Kb
Saying "this tool is genuinely useful to me and it's baffling how many people refuse to acknowledge that could possible be true" is not a sign that someone is being paid to "shill for AI".

(If it is then damn, I've been leaving a ton of money on the table.)

>>simonw+5i
Some days it seems like the most vulgar Marxist would be more rigorous about doing a who-benefits analysis before using that to dismiss an argument than the median HN commenter. Fly.io benefits from AI hype because... more slop code gets written and then run on their servers? tptacek would burn his HN cred for that? Really?

>>kalkin+Si
> Fly.io benefits from AI hype because... more slop code gets written and then run on their servers?

I don't know if that's what fly.io is going for here, but their competitors are explicitly leaning into that angle so it's not that implausible. Vercel is even vertically integrating the slop-to-prod pipeline with v0.

>>jshear+1k
As far as I can see this only makes sense if they actually believe that AI will accelerate production code that people will want to pay to keep running. Maybe they're wrong about that, but it's got to be sincere, or the strategy would be incoherent.

>>kalkin+Zk
There are a lot of people whom's brain warning signals shut off when they think they are onto some money making idea. They will spend vastly illogicall amounts to "keep it going" often for years before admiting it's not working.

Look at stock market courses for instance. They are endlessly prevalent, an eternally green scam. People spend thousands to lose even more money all the time. Sunk cost fallacy is very hard for a lot of people to overcome. Scammers count on it. There is literally millions to be made in these scams if you have zero moral fiber and zero shame.

We are in a golden age of such scams. Not my quote but one article I read said something like business students right now are putting Adam Neumann's picture on their dorm walls to aspire to be like him...