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1. matthe+y41[view] [source] 2025-06-03 06:58:13
>>tablet+(OP)
I think this article is pretty spot on — it articulates something I’ve come to appreciate about LLM-assisted coding over the past few months.

I started out very sceptical. When Claude Code landed, I got completely seduced — borderline addicted, slot machine-style — by what initially felt like a superpower. Then I actually read the code. It was shockingly bad. I swung back hard to my earlier scepticism, probably even more entrenched than before.

Then something shifted. I started experimenting. I stopped giving it orders and began using it more like a virtual rubber duck. That made a huge difference.

It’s still absolute rubbish if you just let it run wild, which is why I think “vibe coding” is basically just “vibe debt” — because it just doesn’t do what most (possibly uninformed) people think it does.

But if you treat it as a collaborator — more like an idiot savant with a massive brain but no instinct or nous — or better yet, as a mech suit [0] that needs firm control — then something interesting happens.

I’m now at a point where working with Claude Code is not just productive, it actually produces pretty good code, with the right guidance. I’ve got tests, lots of them. I’ve also developed a way of getting Claude to document intent as we go, which helps me, any future human reader, and, crucially, the model itself when revisiting old code.

What fascinates me is how negative these comments are — how many people seem closed off to the possibility that this could be a net positive for software engineers rather than some kind of doomsday.

Did Photoshop kill graphic artists? Did film kill theatre? Not really. Things changed, sure. Was it “better”? There’s no counterfactual, so who knows? But change was inevitable.

What’s clear is this tech is here now, and complaining about it feels a bit like mourning the loss of punch cards when terminals showed up.

[0]: https://matthewsinclair.com/blog/0178-why-llm-powered-progra...

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2. throw3+G51[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:12:08
>>matthe+y41
> Did Photoshop kill graphic artists?

No, but AI did.

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3. tptace+m61[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:19:54
>>throw3+G51
This, as the article makes clear, is a concern I am alert and receptive to. Ban production of anything visual from an LLM; I'll vote for it. Just make sure they can still generate Mermaid charts and Graphviz diagrams, so they still apply to developers.
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4. hatefu+W61[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:25:44
>>tptace+m61
What is unique about graphic design that warrants such extraordinary care? Should we just ban technology that approaches "replacement" territory? What about the people, real or imagined, that earn a living making Graphviz diagrams?
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5. tptace+b71[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:27:00
>>hatefu+W61
The article discusses this.
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6. hatefu+G71[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:32:45
>>tptace+b71
Does it? It admits at the top that art is special for no given reason, then it claims that programmers don't care about copyright and they deserve what's coming to them, or something..

"Artificial intelligence is profoundly — and probably unfairly — threatening to visual artists"

This feels asserted without any real evidence

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7. tptace+581[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:35:52
>>hatefu+G71
LLMs immediately and completely displace the bread-and-butter replacement-tier illustration and design work that makes up much of that profession, and does so by effectively counterfeiting creative expression. An coding agent writes a SQL join or a tree traversal. The two things are not the same.

Far more importantly, though, artists haven't spent the last quarter century working to eliminate protections for IPR. Software developers have.

Finally, though I'm not stuck on this: I simply don't agree with the case being made for LLMs violating IPR.

I have had the pleasure, many times over the last 16 years, of expressing my discomfort with nerd piracy culture and the coercive might-makes-right arguments underpinning it. I know how the argument goes over here (like a lead balloon). You can agree with me or disagree. But I've earned my bona fides here. The search bar will avail.

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8. hatefu+591[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:43:59
>>tptace+581
> LLMs immediately and completely displace the bread-and-butter replacement-tier illustration and design work that makes up much of that profession

And so what? Tell it to the Graphviz diagram creators, entry level Javascript programmers, horse carriage drivers, etc. What's special?

> .. and does so by effectively counterfeiting creative expression

What does this actually mean, though? ChatGPT isn't claiming to have "creative expression" in this sense. Everybody knows that it's generating an image using mathematics executed on a GPU. It's creating images. Like an LLM creates text. It creates artwork in the same sense that it creates novels.

> Far more importantly, though, artists haven't spent the last quarter century working to eliminate protections for IPR. Software developers have.

Programmers are very particular about licenses in opposition to your theory. Copyleft licensing leans heavily on enforcing copyright. Besides, I hear artists complain about the duration of copyright frequently. Pointing to some subset of programmers that are against IPR is just nutpicking in any case.

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9. tptace+v91[view] [source] 2025-06-03 07:49:25
>>hatefu+591
Oh, for sure. Programmers are very particular about licenses. For code.
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10. hatefu+xb1[view] [source] 2025-06-03 08:09:51
>>tptace+v91
I get it, you have an axe to grind against some subset of programmers who are "nerds" in a "piracy culture". Artists don't deserve special protections. It sucks for your family members, I really mean that, but they will have to adapt with everybody else.
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11. mwcamp+1d1[view] [source] 2025-06-03 08:25:16
>>hatefu+xb1
I disagree with you on this. Artists, writers, and programmers deserve equal protection, and this means that tptacek is right to criticize nerd piracy culture. In other words, we programmers should respect artists and writers too.
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12. hatefu+ue1[view] [source] 2025-06-03 08:42:38
>>mwcamp+1d1
To be clear, we're not in disagreement. We should all respect each other. However, it's pretty clear that the cat's out of the bag, and trying to claw back protections for only one group of people is stupid. It really betrays the author's own biases.
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