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1. davidc+K8[view] [source] 2025-06-02 22:01:46
>>tablet+(OP)
>If you were trying and failing to use an LLM for code 6 months ago †, you’re not doing what most serious LLM-assisted coders are doing.

Here’s the thing from the skeptic perspective: This statement keeps getting made on a rolling basis. 6 months ago if I wasn’t using the life-changing, newest LLM at the time, I was also doing it wrong and being a luddite.

It creates a never ending treadmill of boy-who-cried-LLM. Why should I believe anything outlined in the article is transformative now when all the same vague claims about productivity increases were being made about the LLMs from 6 months ago which we now all agree are bad?

I don’t really know what would actually unseat this epistemic prior at this point for me.

In six months, I predict the author will again think the LLM products of 6 month ago (now) were actually not very useful and didn’t live up to the hype.

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2. mathgo+Wt[view] [source] 2025-06-03 00:28:08
>>davidc+K8
In my experience it's less about the latest generation of LLMs being better, and more about the tooling around them for integration into a programmer's workflow being waaaay better.

The article doesn't explicitly spell it out until several paragraphs later, but I think what your quoted sentence is alluding to is that Cursor, Cline et al can be pretty revolutionary in terms of removing toil from the development process.

Need to perform a gnarly refactor that's easy to describe but difficult to implement because it's spread far and wide across the codebase? Let the LLM handle it and then check its work. Stuck in dependency hell because you updated one package due to a CVE? The LLM can (often) sort that out for you. Heck, did the IDE's refactor tool fail at renaming a function again? LLM.

I'm remain skeptical of LLM-based development insofar as I think the enshitification will inevitably come when the Magic Money Machine breaks down. And I don't think I would hire a programmer that needs LLM assistance in order to program. But it's hard to deny that it has made me a lot more productive. At the current price it's a no-brainer to use it.

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3. tho23j+yz[view] [source] 2025-06-03 01:19:27
>>mathgo+Wt
It's great when it works, but half the time IME it's so stupid that it can't even use the edit/path tools properly even when given line numbers prepended inputs.

(I should know since I've created half-a-dozen tools for this with gptel. Cline hasn't been any better on my codebase.)

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4. karthi+CG[view] [source] 2025-06-03 02:32:11
>>tho23j+yz
Do Cursor and co have better tools than the ones we write ourselves for lower-level interfaces like gptel? Or do they work better because they add post-processing layers that verify the state of the repo after the tool call?
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