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1. brooke+Hm[view] [source] 2025-05-14 22:11:26
>>laurex+(OP)
I don't understand the productivity that people get out of these AI tools. I've tried it and I just can't get anything remotely worthwhile unless it's something very simple or something completely new being built from the ground up.

Like sure, I can ask claude to give me the barebones of a web service that does some simple task. Or a webpage with some information on it.

But any time I've tried to get AI services to help with bugfixing/feature development on a large, complex, potentially multi-language codebase, it's useless.

And those tasks are the ones that actually take up the majority of my time. On the occasion that I'm spinning a new thing up quickly, I don't really need an AI to do it for me -- I mean, that's the easy part!

Is there something I'm missing? Am I just not using it right? I keep seeing people talk about how addictive it is, how the productivity boost is insane, how all their code is now written by AI and then audited, and I just don't see how that's possible outside of really simple rote programming.

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2. Starle+Mm[view] [source] 2025-05-14 22:12:22
>>brooke+Hm
> Is there something I'm missing? Am I just not using it right?

The talk about it makes more sense when you remember most developers are primarily writing CRUD webapps or adware, which is essentially a solved problem already.

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3. tptace+Iv[view] [source] 2025-05-14 23:32:17
>>Starle+Mm
I'm not doing either of those things with it.
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4. rockem+AA[view] [source] 2025-05-15 00:23:50
>>tptace+Iv
What are some examples of things you are doing with it?
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5. tptace+oB[view] [source] 2025-05-15 00:33:53
>>rockem+AA
Large scale server telemetry and fiddly OAuth2/Macaroon token management.
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6. guyfhu+OP[view] [source] 2025-05-15 03:23:38
>>tptace+oB
This seems a self servingly literal interpretation of the op’s original comment.

Clearly something like “server telemetry” is the datacenter’s “CRUD app” analogue.

It’s a solved problem that largely requires rtfm and rote execution of well worn patterns in code structure.

Please stick to the comment guidelines:

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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7. tptace+A13[view] [source] 2025-05-15 22:21:08
>>guyfhu+OP
I'm laughing at the idea of server telemetry being "the data center equivalent of a CRUD app". I'll just pull out my Telemetry On Rails framework and run some generators...
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8. guyfhu+fg3[view] [source] 2025-05-16 01:01:12
>>tptace+A13
I’d rather write server telemetry logic than any customer facing ui app, and it sounds like you would too.
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9. tptace+3l3[view] [source] 2025-05-16 01:54:18
>>guyfhu+fg3
I'd rather write a new Device Mapper target than do either of those things, and LLMs have been helpful with that too. Is a Device Mapper target the "CRUD app of the Linux kernel"?
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10. guyfhu+E84[view] [source] 2025-05-16 11:47:52
>>tptace+3l3
> I'd rather write a new Device Mapper target than do either of those things

Perhaps it’s time for a career change then. Follow your joy and it will come more naturally for you to want to spread it.

Again,

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

From my reading the “strongest possible interpretation” of the original “CRUD app” line was “it’s a solved problem that largely requires rtfm and rote execution of well worn patterns in code structure” making it similarly situated as “server telemetry” to make llms appear superintelligent to people new to programming within those paradigms.

I’m unfamiliar with “device mapping”, so perhaps someone else can confirm if it is “the crud app of Linux kernel dev” in that vein.

Just listing topics in software development is hardly evidence of either your own ability to work on them, or of their inherent complexity.

Since this seems to have hurt your feelings, perhaps a more effective way to communicate your needs would be to explain why you find “server telemetry” to be more difficult/complex/w/e to warrant needing an llm for you to be able to do it.

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