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1. retorn+j62[view] [source] 2025-05-06 19:52:22
>>swyx+(OP)
I'm skeptical about this VSCode fork commanding a $3 billion valuation when it depends on API services it doesn't own. What's their moat here?

For comparison, JetBrains generates over $400 million in annual revenue and is valued around $7 billion. They've built proprietary technology and deep expertise in that market over decades.

If AI (terminology aside) replaces many professional software engineers and programmers like some of its fierce advocates say it would, wouldn't their potential customer base shrink?

Professionals typically drive enterprise revenue, while hobbyists—who might become the primary users—generally don't support the same business model or spending levels.

What am I missing here?

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2. ergoco+zF2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 00:47:03
>>retorn+j62
JetBrains makes $400M in revenue and is 10+ years old. Cursor is 1 year old and makes $300M in revenue.

One is going to be valued at a much higher multiple than the other.

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3. retorn+DR2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 03:11:19
>>ergoco+zF2
$400M in real revenue versus $300M in annual recurring revenue (ARR) are totally different things. Real revenue is money actually earned, while ARR just multiplies one month's subscription revenue ($25M) by 12, ignoring customer churn.

Startups love flashing ARR figures because "$300M ARR" sounds impressive, but without knowing churn rates, they might never actually collect that full amount.

JetBrains however collected real $400M in a year.

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4. ergoco+Il5[view] [source] 2025-05-07 23:14:36
>>retorn+DR2
I don't think that distinction changes how much each of them is worth relatively to each other.

Achieving $300M ARR in 1 year is extremely extremely impressive regardless of churn or any other metrics really (assuming reasonable numbers). Being valued at $9B because of it doesn't seem out of line.

I'm skeptical of Cursor and not using Cursor myself. I actually use IntelliJ because I write Java.

Cursor's valuation is not unreasonable. But somehow you phrase it like $9B valuation for the fastest growing company that achieves the highest revenue per employee in the history of modern civilization is out of whack somehow.

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