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1. retorn+j62[view] [source] 2025-05-06 19:52:22
>>swyx+(OP)
I'm skeptical about this VSCode fork commanding a $3 billion valuation when it depends on API services it doesn't own. What's their moat here?

For comparison, JetBrains generates over $400 million in annual revenue and is valued around $7 billion. They've built proprietary technology and deep expertise in that market over decades.

If AI (terminology aside) replaces many professional software engineers and programmers like some of its fierce advocates say it would, wouldn't their potential customer base shrink?

Professionals typically drive enterprise revenue, while hobbyists—who might become the primary users—generally don't support the same business model or spending levels.

What am I missing here?

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2. samdjs+ad2[view] [source] 2025-05-06 20:36:49
>>retorn+j62
Just consider what it fundamentally is: a company at the leading edge of a product category that has found absurdly strong technology/use-case fit, and is growing insanely fast.

Looking for a moat in the technology is always a bit of a trap - it’s in the traction, the brand awareness, the user data etc.

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3. lolind+If2[view] [source] 2025-05-06 20:54:53
>>samdjs+ad2
> Looking for a moat in the technology is always a bit of a trap - it’s in the traction, the brand awareness, the user data etc.

Traction, brand awareness, and user data do not favor Windsurf over GitHub Copilot. The few of us who follow all the new developments are aware that Windsurf has been roughly leading the pack in terms of capabilities, but do not underestimate the power of being bundled into both VS Code and GitHub by default. Everyone else is an upstart by comparison and needs some form of edge to make up for it, and without a moat it will be very hard for them to maintain their edge long enough to beat GitHub's dominance.

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4. bearde+bC2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 00:08:41
>>lolind+If2
But copilot is bundled and is free, and it's still losing to cursor
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5. lolind+XC2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 00:15:53
>>bearde+bC2
Define losing? My company pays for Copilot but not for Cursor, and it's not at all clear to me that we're the exception rather than the norm. What numbers and data are you working with?
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6. sdwr+tP2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 02:46:14
>>lolind+XC2
Copilot has every incumbent advantage, so if Cursor is doing halfway decent in the market (which it is), it's winning by default
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7. waltha+zW3[view] [source] 2025-05-07 14:19:21
>>sdwr+tP2
Incumbent advantage of being in VS Code already? Thing is, Cursor is basically just VS Code, there's hardly any barrier to switching, so it's quite a weak advantage.
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8. milksh+a15[view] [source] 2025-05-07 20:16:18
>>waltha+zW3
the incumbent advantage is the default distribution.

defaults matter

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