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1. bko+4W[view] [source] 2025-05-06 12:46:45
>>swyx+(OP)
Incredible timeline to a $3B exit

> Windsurf began in 2021 as Exafunction, founded by MIT graduates Varun Mohan and Douglas Chen. The company initially focused on GPU optimization before pivoting to AI-assisted coding tools, launching Codeium, which later evolved into Windsurf.

> Series B (January 2024): $65 million at a $500 million valuation.

> Series C (September 2024): $150 million, led by General Catalyst, at a $1.3 billion valuation.

> May 2025: $3 billion acquisition from OpenAI

I wonder how much of the value is really from the model or the tooling around it. They all use the same models (mostly Claude, others have been horrible and buggy in my experience). Even co-pilot agent mode now uses Claude. The editor has their own LLM (?) that does the apply since LLMs often return snippets. They work well enough on Cursor. And then you have the auto-complete, which I think is their own model as well.

But the main value from me is from the agent mode and 95% of the value is the underlying model. The other stuff could be more or less a VS Code plugin. The other benefit is the fixed pricing. I have no idea how much 500 calls cost if I were to use the API, but I expect they're probably losing money.

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2. mvkel+ZO2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 02:40:48
>>bko+4W
The value is in the prompts being sent to OpenAI. Massive training depository.

Only thing better would be a social network, which supposedly they're working on.

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3. buffer+GT2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 03:34:26
>>mvkel+ZO2
But OpenAI already knows every single prompt sent to its models. They don't need to buy Windsurf for that.
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4. mvkel+OY2[view] [source] 2025-05-07 04:40:34
>>buffer+GT2
That's a bit like saying having access to Google is as good as being Google.

All they really see as a model provider is little fragments of the picture, like trying to reconstruct the Mona Lisa by knowing which paint swatches Leonardo used.

In other words, they only saw whatever Windsurf sent as context with a "fix the bugs" prompt stapled to it.

By owning Windsurf, they see the entire source code of what's being built, all the time, plus how the model is interacting with it.

There's a massive amount of value in what happens client-side, and behind the scenes. The "director's cut" of context.

Huge difference.

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5. pqtyw+tz3[view] [source] 2025-05-07 12:05:04
>>mvkel+OY2
So just put up together a comparable VS Code based AI IDE in a couple of months and bundle it together with the ChatGPT subscription? They'd get loads of users very fast..
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