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1. retorn+j62[view] [source] 2025-05-06 19:52:22
>>swyx+(OP)
I'm skeptical about this VSCode fork commanding a $3 billion valuation when it depends on API services it doesn't own. What's their moat here?

For comparison, JetBrains generates over $400 million in annual revenue and is valued around $7 billion. They've built proprietary technology and deep expertise in that market over decades.

If AI (terminology aside) replaces many professional software engineers and programmers like some of its fierce advocates say it would, wouldn't their potential customer base shrink?

Professionals typically drive enterprise revenue, while hobbyists—who might become the primary users—generally don't support the same business model or spending levels.

What am I missing here?

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2. goodlu+882[view] [source] 2025-05-06 20:04:18
>>retorn+j62
If OpenAI just provides AI, then the various IDEs development wrappers / IDEs / low-code etc. can collectively bargain against OpenAI for low rates. If OpenAI has an alternative, then they can charge higher rates for all plugins/ etc. and give the market an alternative.
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3. retorn+H92[view] [source] 2025-05-06 20:13:58
>>goodlu+882
If enterprises require fewer software engineers, where will the market for IDE development wrappers come from?
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4. rainco+I63[view] [source] 2025-05-07 06:33:04
>>retorn+H92
Enterprises won't require less software. If they require fewer software engineers, that would be those few engineers producing so much more software with better tools, for example, AI wrappers.
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5. conart+ta3[view] [source] 2025-05-07 07:25:42
>>rainco+I63
Yeah but we can already see that it doesn't work like that.

If you need to write a lot of code I guess, but that's really rare, like saying "I need to write a lot of laws. I need to write 50 new laws by Tuesday with at least 15000 words of new regulation to one-up my rival legislator who wrote 40 new laws last week"

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