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>>sundae+(OP)
Why is this flagged? Surely one of the most influential people in the tech space (and the richest man in the world) doing a nazi salute is pertinent to Hacker News?

>>johnet+e3
Users flagged it.

See >>42775519 for more

>>dang+YE
Can you unflag it? What Musk has done is not a small thing.

If Hacker News is about the tech industry then we need to see the tech industry clearly, warts and all.

We cannot run away from it. We cannot memory hole it.

>>zfg+3S
Past experience with this kind of thing by you-know-who does not lend itself to the idea of a substantive discussion.

HN isn't "about the tech industry" per se - its mandate is to discuss topics of intellectual curiosity. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Celebrity troll moves (or whatever this is) don't fit that bill, so in this case I'm inclined to agree with the users who flagged the story.

>>dang+5T
How does a discussion about ethics and symbolism not fall under intellectual curiosity?

>>kitsun+Lj1
I would like to see a discussions on about ethics and symbolism. The hand on heart, and then a gesture of throwing it outwards towards the public while saying "My heart goes out to you" is a very different symbolic gesture compared to a salute were a person execute it by extending the right arm stiff to an upward 45° angle and then straightening the hand so that it is parallel to the arm. In term of symbolism, what create the difference in interpretation? How much does the context of the speech and speaker influence how the symbolic gesture get interpreted?

In terms of ethics, if the intention is to generate outrage in order to generate views and media coverage, does media coverage help or harm? Research on violence has has reached a fairly strong consensus that symbolism and displaying of cultural values is a major contributor for continued violence and conflicts. What should be the most effective (and ethical) strategy in reducing such display?

>>belorn+5m3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qDRYi1IYI2o&t=35s&pp=2AEjkAIB

Watch this at 00:35. Debunks your entire point about "the look" with Hitler doing the salute exactly as Musk did it.

I'm from Switzerland / Swiss German and maybe we just watched way more WW2 docs in high school and had more exposure to the various ways a Nazi salute can be done, but across the German speaking sphere we all saw this as a Nazi salute. In this variation it was often done with hand on breast during "Sieg!" and then the extension with "Heil!".