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1. consta+2v1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 13:43:52
>>Ozarki+(OP)
Here is what the discussion looked like almost a decade ago: >>9626985

Very striking to see how the sentiment has drastically shifted, while the facts of the case did not. There is a really cultural shift visible in how this issue is seen on here.

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2. effica+zQ1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 15:51:11
>>consta+2v1
life in prison was too harsh, but a full pardon is too lenient.
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3. WaitWa+132[view] [source] 2025-01-22 16:55:52
>>effica+zQ1
Just to be clear, a pardon does not expunge or erase one's criminal record.

> life in prison was too harsh, but a full pardon is too lenient.

I think you should compare it as: life in prison was too harsh, but 10 years is too lenient.

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4. larkos+q92[view] [source] 2025-01-22 17:27:05
>>WaitWa+132
The idea of a pardon is exactly that: it erases the record of the crime/conviction.

I think you are thinking of a commutation. That ends the punishment while not absolving the person of the crime.

So the January 6th criminals who got pardons no longer have a criminal record (on this count at least). The 14 people who were only granted commutations are still counted as felons.

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5. WaitWa+fy2[view] [source] 2025-01-22 19:50:20
>>larkos+q92
I must have read it incorrectly:

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/200...

> As these opinions confirm, a presidential pardon removes, either conditionally or unconditionally, the punitive legal consequences that would otherwise flow from conviction for the pardoned offense. A pardon, however, does not erase the conviction as a historical fact or justify the fiction that the pardoned individual did not engage in criminal conduct. A pardon, therefore, does not by its own force expunge judicial or administrative records of the conviction or underlying offense.

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