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1. yuppie+01[view] [source] 2025-01-22 00:19:12
>>Ozarki+(OP)
Wasn’t he in jail for hiring a contract killer?

I’m all for the freeing him of his crimes when it comes to his crypto anarchic philosophy. But I find it hard to pardon someone for contract killing essentially. Also I’m not an apologist for the FBIs handling of this case either.

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2. hypeat+L1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 00:22:41
>>yuppie+01
No, that charge was dropped. IIRC, it was on shaky ground and they were just trying to throw the book at him.
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3. tzs+I3[view] [source] 2025-01-22 00:36:29
>>hypeat+L1
The charge was dropped, but the court did hold a hearing on it when deciding on sentencing. They heard the evidence for and against and ruled by a preponderance of the evidence that he did in fact do it.
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4. UncleO+V3[view] [source] 2025-01-22 00:38:08
>>tzs+I3
Then why would they drop the charge if they thought the evidence pointed to the fact he did it.
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5. tzs+g5[view] [source] 2025-01-22 00:51:23
>>UncleO+V3
Separate courts. He was indicted and tried for all the non-murder stuff in a New York federal court. He was indicted separately in a Maryland federal court on a murder-for-hire charge.

The New York court convicted him, and then considered the murder-for-hire allegations when determining his sentence. They found them true by a preponderance of the evidence and and that was a factor in his sentence to life without parole. He appealed, and the Second Circuit upheld the sentence.

The prosecutors in Maryland then dropped the murder-for-hire charge because there was no point. They said this would allow them to direct their resources to other other cases where justice had not yet been served.

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6. DannyB+X9[view] [source] 2025-01-22 01:25:18
>>tzs+g5
Ironically, he was only pardoned for drug related crimes, so he could still be charged with murder related ones if they were not dropped with prejudice (i didn't look)

This is all AFAIK, they haven't released the text broadly yet, but his lawyers/etc say he was pardoned for crimes related to drugs.

Even what people call a 'full and unconditional' pardon is usually targeted at something specific, not like "a pardon for anything you may have ever done, anywhere, anytime' which people seem to think it means sometimes.

It's more of a legal term of art to describe pardons that erase convictions, restore rights, etc.

Rather than clemency which, say, commutes your sentence but leaves your conviction intact.

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7. busymo+NH1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 15:00:52
>>DannyB+X9
> so he could still be charged with murder related ones if they were not dropped with prejudice

They were dismissed with prejudice.

> “We are pleased that the prosecutors in the District of Maryland, after almost five years, have dismissed their indictment against Ross. Holding this over Ross’ head, without taking it to trial where he could defend himself, has been very damaging to Ross and his case, especially because it contained the only charge of murder-for-hire. Of course, this charge was never proven or convicted, but was very effective in smearing Ross’s reputation and hurting him in the legal process”.

> She said, “We had some good news recently. The indictment and superseding indictment against Ross in the District of Maryland were dismissed ‘with prejudice,’ meaning they can never be re-filed. This is especially good because those indictments contained the only charge ever made that Ross engaged in murder-for-hire. This was a serious allegation that Ross denies. It was never prosecuted or ruled on by a jury but was trumpeted by the government and the media as if it were proven fact”.

https://perspectivesmatter.com/2018/08/silk-road-drugs-the-i...

https://www.humanrightsdefensecenter.org/action/news/2020/dy...

> Following his arrest in 2013, prosecutors also alleged that he planned murder-for-hire although, curiously, he was never charged or prosecuted for it at trial (and the allegations were dismissed with prejudice by a U.S. District Judge in 2018).

> The allegations were never charged at trial, never proven, never submitted to, or ruled on by, a jury, and eventually dismissed with prejudice. Ross consistently denied the allegations (which relied on anonymous online chats never proven to have been authored by him) and those who know him never believed them. The only alleged victim ever identified, Curtis Green, is a fervent supporter of Ross’s clemency.

https://freeross.org

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8. DannyB+i02[view] [source] 2025-01-22 16:41:55
>>busymo+NH1
"They were dismissed with prejudice."

Lucky him, as his pardon doesn't cover them. But he could still be charged at the state level, and at the federal level with any other crime.

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9. busymo+zu2[view] [source] 2025-01-22 19:28:47
>>DannyB+i02
Wouldn't statutes of limitation have run out by now? Plus what crime would even be state level?
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