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1. rappat+0c[view] [source] 2025-01-22 01:38:25
>>Ozarki+(OP)
I think his original sentence was absolutely deserved—even though the charge of hiring a contract killer to assassinate his business competition may have been dropped, I think it's clear he did many things in the same vein. Even if you support his original pursuit of a free and open online marketplace, I think most people would agree he took it a bridge too far in the end.

That said, I do think he absolutely deserved to be released, not because he didn't deserve to be locked up in the first place, but because he's clearly been rehabilitated and has done great work during his time in prison. All that considered, ten years seems like a not unreasonable prison sentence for what he did. I hope he'll continue to do good when he's released.

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2. offsig+SK[view] [source] 2025-01-22 06:56:34
>>rappat+0c
"he took it a bridge too far" is a massive trivialization.

The guy operated a marketplace for illegal goods in order to enrich himself. The illegality wasn't just incidental, it was literally his business model -- by flouting the law, he enjoyed massive market benefit (minimal competition, lack of regulation, high margins etc) by exploiting the arbitrage that the rest of us follow the rules.

Said a different way, he knowingly pursued enormous risk in order to achieve outsized benefits, and ultimately his bet blew up on him -- we shouldn't have bailed him out.

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3. sneak+ZR[view] [source] 2025-01-22 08:09:27
>>offsig+SK
There were no victims of his conduct.

The idea that possession of drugs is or should be illegal is purely arbitrary, and is used thus to justify massive violations of human rights. It is literally insane that the state claims authority over what you are allowed to do to your own body.

No victim, no crime.

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4. mirpa+A51[view] [source] 2025-01-22 10:11:38
>>sneak+ZR
While you might argue which drug is dangerous and which isn't, ban on drugs is not arbitrary decision. You can't do whatever you want with your body, because you might loose control and hurt others. Drug abuse affects others as well (financially, mentally, physically...). I am victim of someone's drug abuse. I never took any drugs. So if you are looking for victims of drug abuse, here I am.
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5. oneeye+Bi1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 12:19:29
>>mirpa+A51
> You can't do whatever you want with your body, because you might loose control and hurt others.

Why is it legal to drive a car, then?

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6. GTP+Ij1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 12:26:59
>>oneeye+Bi1
It is legal if you're in good shape and therefore the risk of that happening is minimal. It is illegal to drive a car under an altered state that makes it more likely to happen. It is a balance between the benefits of permitting something and the likelihood of something bad happens. In normal conditions, the benefits are believed to outweigh the risks, so it is generally permitted to drive a car. But it is not permitted to drive it if you're under the effect of some substance that can alter your perception of reality.
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7. oneeye+Lk1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 12:33:32
>>GTP+Ij1
OK, that's fair. So I agree that:

> You can't do whatever you want with your body

is pretty reasonable, but how about we rephrase it as something like:

> You can't do something with your body that significantly increases the risk of harming others

?

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8. GTP+Io1[view] [source] 2025-01-22 13:01:01
>>oneeye+Lk1
Yes, I would agree with this principle, with the caveat that there could be always be corner cases that deserve a special treatment.
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