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>>palata+(OP)
The moderators don't seem to want this to show up on HN. A previous attempt at posting it was removed in short order.

>>UncleO+d
Moderators didn't touch this. Users flagged it.

That's nearly always the case when you see [flagged] on a submission, btw. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

(It's a bit more complex with comments, but also the majority of [flagged] comments are flagged by users, not mods.)

>>dang+5s
Well... can you remove the flag, please? Why in the world are we not supposed to be talking about one of the most influential, powerful people - a tech icon of all things - in all of humanity's history doing a Nazi salute on stage to thunderous applause?

It seems entirely disingenuous to come into this thread and pretend you are entirely separated from the flagging of this post when you are actively supporting it!

>>Tadpol+1E
HN's principle is to have intellectually curious conversation about topics that gratify intellectual curiosity. It seems pretty obvious that this isn't that.

More at >>42776410

>>dang+WG
Was pg's post about "woke ideology" an intellectually curious conversation starter?

>>aredox+y41
Sure. Certainly far more than this story.

That's not to say that the HN discussion went well, but we can't control that. We can only play the odds, and it's important to.

>>dang+ly2
That seems like a stretch. Discussions on wokeness are among the most common on the internet, it's also a well-known flame-war topic and explicitly political in nature. I think most people could have predicted the outcome of that thread based on the title alone. I suppose anything written by pg is automatically germane to HN, but that creates an awkward situation if other tech adjacent politically relevant discussion is subject to normal moderation policies.

Anyway, I know moderation is difficult, but I want to gently suggest that this feels like a double standard.

>>root_a+TU2
I think that's fair and of course I know that many people would make the individual moderation calls differently than we do, and be just as 'right' as we are. At the specific-data-point level, we're talking about judgment calls and guesswork, and there is inevitably some arbitrariness there. Consistency at that level is not possible.

On the other hand, a thoughtful pg essay and a sensational 3-second video clip of the most trollicious person on the internet are pretty different on (let's call it) the genre spectrum, and that's an important consideration for HN moderation too.

As inconsistent and arbitrary as individual moderation calls may feel or be, though, the principles of HN moderation have been surprisingly consistent over the years, and that's the more important level. We don't always apply them correctly or consistently, but I think the principles themselves are good ones for this site and are easily defensible. Most of what I do in moderation comments like this is try to explain those principles, though usually the commenters are concerned about one particular story, at least in the moment.