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1. UncleO+d[view] [source] 2025-01-20 22:22:32
>>palata+(OP)
The moderators don't seem to want this to show up on HN. A previous attempt at posting it was removed in short order.
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2. dang+5s[view] [source] 2025-01-21 01:55:40
>>UncleO+d
Moderators didn't touch this. Users flagged it.

That's nearly always the case when you see [flagged] on a submission, btw. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

(It's a bit more complex with comments, but also the majority of [flagged] comments are flagged by users, not mods.)

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3. Tadpol+1E[view] [source] 2025-01-21 03:33:53
>>dang+5s
Well... can you remove the flag, please? Why in the world are we not supposed to be talking about one of the most influential, powerful people - a tech icon of all things - in all of humanity's history doing a Nazi salute on stage to thunderous applause?

It seems entirely disingenuous to come into this thread and pretend you are entirely separated from the flagging of this post when you are actively supporting it!

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4. dang+WG[view] [source] 2025-01-21 03:53:20
>>Tadpol+1E
HN's principle is to have intellectually curious conversation about topics that gratify intellectual curiosity. It seems pretty obvious that this isn't that.

More at >>42776410

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5. aredox+y41[view] [source] 2025-01-21 09:02:06
>>dang+WG
Was pg's post about "woke ideology" an intellectually curious conversation starter?
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6. dang+ly2[view] [source] 2025-01-21 18:29:08
>>aredox+y41
Sure. Certainly far more than this story.

That's not to say that the HN discussion went well, but we can't control that. We can only play the odds, and it's important to.

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7. HaZeus+h63[view] [source] 2025-01-21 22:09:29
>>dang+ly2
I'm not buying that; it's pre-emptive laziness, you don't want to attempt to even bother to see a spirit of discussion fostered on this thread because of your hunch that there will be some bad actors in the comment section that will cause moderators and high-karma users to, well, moderate.
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8. dang+S73[view] [source] 2025-01-21 22:18:44
>>HaZeus+h63
The comments on this have already amply fulfilled my prediction. People's interpretation of this 3-second video clip are determined by their prior feelings about this person. HN is about learning, and nobody learns anything new in a thread like that

You guys are talking about this (both the stimulus and the response) as if it's some unusual phenomenon. It's not—it's the most standard aspect of HN moderation. If we didn't moderate this way, HN would be a completely different site; the front page would be filled with the latest outrages. To see that, all you have to do is multiply the present situation by a sufficiently large number.

It always feels as if the latest high-energy stimulus as the important one, the indispensable one, the one where things will fall apart if we don't stop everything and argue about it right now. HN is about trying to disengage ourselves from that brain-chemistry ratwheel. I realize that energy is running higher than usual because of the events of yesterday, but again, that's the sort of dynamic this site is about not being determined by—irrespective of political position or feelings about celebrities.

In past threads I've described this as the difference between reflexive and reflective discussion. If anyone wants to understand the basic approach, maybe some of that would help: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....

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