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1. yapyap+nd1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 18:44:52
>>crbela+(OP)
I think the word “woke” means very different things to some people.

As an example I think people from the American political left to somewhere(?) in the middle see it as what it has been introduced as, that being looking past the status quo and instead looking at your own values, i.e. the morality of homelessness and not having a disdain for them but empathy for them instead.

and then on the other side it feels like the people on the American political right see it as what this website describes it as “ A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others.”

I think the divide has originated from taking unlikeable behaviour and labeling that as ‘woke’ (in bad faith of course) and some people have just bonded to that definition so much that they see it as that.

At least that’s what I’ve noticed online over the past few (bonkers) years

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2. UncleO+Kr1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:39:41
>>yapyap+nd1
You're right. It's really lazy to use the term at this point as there isn't a shared meaning assigned to it. It's mostly used as a pejorative by the right at this point, but it's original meaning was very different and indicated a positive attribute. Whenever I'm in a conversation with someone who uses the word, I stop them and ask them to define what they're talking about. Usually they end up with something vague that boils down to "stuff I don't like".
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3. gitfan+P12[view] [source] 2025-01-13 22:08:20
>>UncleO+Kr1
You are dismissing the issue by implying it is a right wing thing.

Obama is using the term and criticising people who do it in this clip. I in no way consider him to be right wing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM

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4. lazyey+h72[view] [source] 2025-01-13 22:35:51
>>gitfan+P12
Not too mention Bill Maher who is also firmly on the left.
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5. HDThor+EZ2[view] [source] 2025-01-14 04:55:24
>>lazyey+h72
He is absolutely not. He’s a science denier and routinely has anti vaxxers on without pushing back on their ideas
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6. toaste+I43[view] [source] 2025-01-14 05:49:30
>>HDThor+EZ2
You’re never gonna believe this but the hippie granola left were the original antivaxxers. The first places where you started hearing about measles outbreaks in the US were all affluent left leaning communities with a strong granola contingent, like Santa Monica, California.
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7. HDThor+s83[view] [source] 2025-01-14 06:26:48
>>toaste+I43
You’re never going to believe this but those people are no longer on the left. Its passed them by
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8. gitfan+0F3[view] [source] 2025-01-14 12:23:20
>>HDThor+s83
That is kind of the point Paul is making in his essay. The most progressive people are pushing an ever evolving definition of what it means to be racist or anti-science or a bigot.

This is why Trump won. People got tired of being told they were a bigot if they expressed any concerns that were not inline with the most recent trends of progressivism.

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9. btreec+RQ3[view] [source] 2025-01-14 13:44:26
>>gitfan+0F3
> That is kind of the point Paul is making in his essay. The most progressive people are pushing an ever evolving definition of what it means to be racist or anti-science or a bigot.

This isn't what progressives are doing as much as it's what conservatives characterize it as what progressives are doing.

> This is why Trump won. People got tired of being told they were a bigot if they expressed any concerns that were not inline with the most recent trends of progressivism.

This isn't why Trump won, data we have access to shows that.

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10. gitfan+GY3[view] [source] 2025-01-14 14:28:48
>>btreec+RQ3
Just read the threads here. People are specifically saying Obama's criticism of Woke are no longer valid because the word has changed. But Paul is using the same definition that Obama used.

Is is the progressives who have decided unilaterally that woke is now a pejorative that racists use to demonize progressives and doesn't mean what it used to mean 5 years ago.

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