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1. Ukv+rD[view] [source] 2025-01-13 15:49:49
>>crbela+(OP)
> Imagine having to explain to a well-meaning visitor from another planet why using the phrase "people of color" is considered particularly enlightened, but saying "colored people" gets you fired. [...] There are no underlying principles.

To understand much of our language, Gnorts would have to already be aware that our words and symbols gain meaning from how they're used, and you couldn't, for instance, determine that a swastika is offensive (in the west) by its shape alone.

In this case, the term "colored people" gained racist connotations from its history of being used for discrimination and segregation - and avoiding it for that reason is the primary principle at play. There's also the secondary/less universal principle of preferring "person-first language".

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2. asdasd+Oi1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:07:26
>>Ukv+rD
Having the principle of "words become bad because bad people use them" is stupid because you cede power to bad people. But really, its not a principle at all, its just a dumb cultural signaling, ie. "I'm not like those uneducated hicks".
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3. pornel+GA1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 20:12:50
>>asdasd+Oi1
When the meaning of a word gets distorted by use in bad faith, it's no longer useful for its original purpose.

Switching to another word isn't ceding power to the bad people. It's taking away their power to redefine things. It's letting them have the now-useless word exclusively, which will become associated with their speech, and not the original meaning. The original meaning is reclaimed by using a new not-yet-soiled word for it, and the cycle continues.

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4. SpicyL+WF2[view] [source] 2025-01-14 02:06:38
>>pornel+GA1
Is there a specific other word you'd suggest? I was watching an event last week where the promoters:

* had everyone declare their pronouns

* advertised their segregated black-only event next month

* repeatedly interrupted to chant "trans rights!"

This is a very common cluster of behavior, and I'm not sure what I would call it other than "woke". If there's another word that would be better, I'm all ears. But my experience has been that proponents don't find any word acceptable, because what they object to is the very idea that this is a distinct cluster of behavior. They feel, as the source article says, that each of my bullet points is just an independent matter of respect.

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