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1. justin+pl1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:17:36
>>crbela+(OP)
This article never takes up the cause of the minorities who are being harassed and killed on a daily basis, but spends a lot of time whining about having to show even a modicum of empathy by using more inclusive language. For this reason it reeks of self-centered willful ignorance.
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2. lesuor+or1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:38:20
>>justin+pl1
That's the point.

Spending time teaching people to use people of color instead of black is just performant. Actually firing a recruiter that immediately throws any black resume into the trash is real change.

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3. andrew+Wu1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:50:41
>>lesuor+or1
How exactly would you go about implementing the "real change" here?
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4. bpt3+Nz1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 20:09:45
>>andrew+Wu1
That's part of the problem, there is no silver bullet. I implement it by not being racist (or sexist or any other -ist) personally and refusing to support anyone who is.

That's largely all anyone can do (and I have a lot more ability to do something about it as a business owner than the average progressive), which I'm sure feels inadequate and leads to roving bands of thought police members looking for perceived transgressions to attack.

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5. theoss+2C1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 20:18:35
>>bpt3+Nz1
And how do you decide whether someone you're considering supporting is or isn't racist? Do you, by chance, use the way they talk about black people or other minorities (man that's a mouthful, maybe just shorten it to BIPOC) as a way to gauge it?

For example, if someone said the N word in front of you, or made an uncomfortable joke about a Mexican, would you decide not to support them? If so, then does that make you one of those roving thought police? You'd obviously be censoring free speech if you decided how you treat them based on what they say!

On the other hand, people are clever, they know not to be too obvious or it may cause them social issues. So, as long as they don't do something too untoward right in front of you, does that mean they gain your full support?

Of course, I won't be surprised if those proponents of free speech decide to censor me by downvoting instead of engaging speech with speech

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6. bpt3+If2[view] [source] 2025-01-13 23:23:22
>>theoss+2C1
> And how do you decide whether someone you're considering supporting is or isn't racist? Do you, by chance, use the way they talk about black people or other minorities (man that's a mouthful, maybe just shorten it to BIPOC) as a way to gauge it?

The same way I determine anyone's beliefs on any other topic, which is watching their actions over time, including what they say.

> For example, if someone said the N word in front of you, or made an uncomfortable joke about a Mexican, would you decide not to support them?

Probably, but context matters.

> If so, then does that make you one of those roving thought police? You'd obviously be censoring free speech if you decided how you treat them based on what they say!

And here we go. I'm not censoring anyone by not continuing to associate with someone I don't agree with. I'm also not digitally screaming to ostracize someone I disagree with over terminology, as is the case with cancel culture advocates.

> On the other hand, people are clever, they know not to be too obvious or it may cause them social issues. So, as long as they don't do something too untoward right in front of you, does that mean they gain your full support?

See what I said above about how I assess people. But if someone is a closet racist and I know nothing about it, what am I supposed to do?

> Of course, I won't be surprised if those proponents of free speech decide to censor me by downvoting instead of engaging speech with speech

Knock it off.

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7. theoss+Ww2[view] [source] 2025-01-14 01:01:44
>>bpt3+If2
If my using the same rhetorical devices as you annoys you, maybe consider how you come across to others? Phrases like "roving bands of thought police" make you sound like a child, and makes it easy to dismiss your opinion out of hand.
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