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1. kelsey+5g1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 18:57:35
>>crbela+(OP)
The article missed the biggest opportunity to be curious by avoiding the question: What if they're right?
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2. karate+qi1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:06:35
>>kelsey+5g1
> But by the same token we should not automatically reject everything the woke believe... It would be a mistake to discard them all just because one didn't share the religion that espoused them. It would be the sort of thing a religious zealot would do.

To be fair, he does say the above, which is close enough. The problem with asking "what if they're right" is that there's no single formulation of beliefs shared universally by such large and diverse group, so you can't consider whether they are right or not, only whether each individual expression is.

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3. rukuu0+Tw1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:57:42
>>karate+qi1
But there’s this statement as well:

> Racism, for example, is a genuine problem. Not a problem on the scale that the woke believe it to be…

The whole idea of woke (in the non pejorative sense) is that you’ve done the work to perceive the actual problem.

That statement shows that he hasn’t, which I think undermines the good parts of the essay.

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4. s1arti+NL1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 20:53:47
>>rukuu0+Tw1
Isn't that Akin to arguing if something should be a 9.8 or a 9.5 on a completely arbitrary scale with no shared definition.

From what you say, anyone who disagrees about the nature or severity of the problem hasn't done the work and is flat out wrong.

If so, then the whole idea of wokeness collapses into the state of infallible enlightenment where everything one says is correct.

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5. rukuu0+eU1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 21:28:08
>>s1arti+NL1
Hi, you’re right - we can’t understand what the other side means without a genuine discussion.

And the polarized ends of woke and anti-woke shouting aren’t going to achieve that.

So it’s important to engage with the (non-shouty) people in our lives who we can have those discussions with.

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