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1. yapyap+nd1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 18:44:52
>>crbela+(OP)
I think the word “woke” means very different things to some people.

As an example I think people from the American political left to somewhere(?) in the middle see it as what it has been introduced as, that being looking past the status quo and instead looking at your own values, i.e. the morality of homelessness and not having a disdain for them but empathy for them instead.

and then on the other side it feels like the people on the American political right see it as what this website describes it as “ A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others.”

I think the divide has originated from taking unlikeable behaviour and labeling that as ‘woke’ (in bad faith of course) and some people have just bonded to that definition so much that they see it as that.

At least that’s what I’ve noticed online over the past few (bonkers) years

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2. Alexan+sn1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:25:06
>>yapyap+nd1
> i.e. the morality of homelessness and not having a disdain for them but empathy for them instead.

Ok, I'll bite. What is having empathy for the homeless? Is allowing unconstrained immigration to increase competition for entry-level positions empathy? What about restrictions on construction that make housing completely unaffordable? Is that empathy? Is leaving the drug-addicted portion of the homeless out on the street to battle their addictions on their own empathy[1]?

Saying nice words (not having disdain) is not the same thing as helping someone.

[1] https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/you-call-that-compassio...

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3. suzzer+Kp1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:32:44
>>Alexan+sn1
I am very sympathetic to the idea that some harm-reduction policies do more to enable drug addiction among the homeless than help them.

But the immigration stuff is just right-wing nonsense. a) We don't have anything like unrestrained immigration, that's propaganda. Obama and Biden both deported more people than any other presidents in history to that point (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re..., https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-nu...). And b) the percentage of homeless who might compete with a Honduran immigrant for a day-laborer job is a tiny sliver.

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4. Alexan+qt1[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:45:04
>>suzzer+Kp1
On the immigration issue, I'm mostly speaking from personal experience. I think this issue, just like immigration itself, is very regional and doesn't present the same way everywhere. In the town where I live it's now basically impossible to get an entry level job - the competition is fierce[1]. This is a result of a mass influx of foreign students thanks to a local diploma mill. Not surprisingly, the rents and homeless population have increased rapidly over the same period.

[1] https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/massive-lineu...

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