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1. mschwa+VV[view] [source] 2025-01-04 10:34:59
>>pabs3+(OP)
I really wish we would take defining what it means for an artifact to be signed more seriously.

Which key(s) is it signed with? What is the hash of the corresponding unsigned artifact?

Signature verification tools should have some option which prints these things in a machine-readable format.

I did some work on reproducibility of Android apps and system images with Nix, and while defining a build step which can automatically establish these relationships sounds a bit goofy, it can make the issues with underspecified edge cases visible by defining verification more strictly. I did not do this to look for those edge cases though.

I am still working on that type of stuff now, but on more fundamental issues of trust we could start addressing with systems like Nix.

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2. 1oooqo+a11[view] [source] 2025-01-04 12:02:07
>>mschwa+VV
blame browsers and the url padlock "cuz users are dumb" attitude.

i still believe "pgp is too complex" was the most successful cia counter action after they lost the crypto wars to the people.

solving via nix only works within the flawed assumptions that end users either fully trust google or fdroid and are incapable of anything else.

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3. ImJama+I35[view] [source] 2025-01-06 11:41:11
>>1oooqo+a11
>i still believe "pgp is too complex" was the most successful cia counter action after they lost the crypto wars to the people.

Do you talk to non-technical people? Some people can hardly turn their computer on. Do you really think PGP is in their grasp?

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4. defros+Z35[view] [source] 2025-01-06 11:44:55
>>ImJama+I35
Thirty four years ago when PGP was released it was far from being the most complex thing that most people using computers and the web as it was at the time had to deal with.

My father, a farmer type born in 1935, managed to use it easily enough when shown how.

It was typical enough of the tools of the time.

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5. ImJama+Y55[view] [source] 2025-01-06 12:08:37
>>defros+Z35
You are not really selling it...

34 years ago the average person did not own a computer. What was computer ownership at in 1990, 10%? The people who owned computers tended to be wealthy, smart or hobbyists which isn't exactly indicative of the average person.

So, your father, who has has somebody who can walk him through it can figure it out. Well guess what, the average person doesn't have a technologically knowledgeable child to show it to them.

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