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1. MKober+1f[view] [source] 2024-12-02 15:40:05
>>sebg+(OP)
This was such a fascinating read—it really resonated with me. A few years ago, my girlfriend and I started a small coffee shop in Hanoi as a fun side project, and I was struck by the parallels between Vietnam's coffee history and the issues you outline here about Kenya.

Vietnam, like Kenya, emerged from a coffee industry shaped by colonial-era inequities. Yet through reforms, robust state support for smallholder farmers, and a focus on infrastructure, Vietnam has positioned itself as a global coffee powerhouse. While the initial focus on robusta was quantity-driven, there’s now a shift toward quality, which is helping Vietnamese coffee expand into new markets.

Kenya’s situation feels similar yet distinct. It has an unparalleled coffee heritage, and with thoughtful reforms—empowering smallholders, encouraging direct trade, and finding the right balance between quality and disease-resistant hybrids—it could reclaim its standing on the global stage.

The article beautifully captures the systemic challenges and the hope for transformation. I really believe Kenya’s coffee can rise again, stronger and fairer, just as Vietnam is starting to do. It’s inspiring to see how coffee connects people and places across the world in such unique ways!

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2. retina+Jk[view] [source] 2024-12-02 16:12:50
>>MKober+1f
All the vietnamese coffee that I tried in europe (even in hype shops) tasted like american “french” roast aka burnt bad coffee. Could you recommend ways to try nice coffees from vietnam?
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3. a012+rw[view] [source] 2024-12-02 17:28:26
>>retina+Jk
> All the vietnamese coffee ... “french” roast aka burnt bad coffee

You're describing traditional Vietnamese coffee for ca phe sua or ca phe den, it's close to burnt coffee because the sourced coffee beans are shit so they have to roast close to charcoal that's why we have to add a lot of sugar or condensed milk.

If you want to have coffees that taste close to specialty coffee then there are some local shops that colab or have their own farms that grow quality beans, but Idk if there's exporting roasted coffees.

I've seen a Vietnamese coffee brand from Amazon with fancy branding but my bet is still shitty coffee. Then the recommended way would be traveling to Vietnam, maybe?

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4. alephn+JB[view] [source] 2024-12-02 18:03:53
>>a012+rw
Taste preferences are different too.

Robusta coffees are much more popular across Asia, and there is a preference to mix coffee with milk.

In Europe and the US, there is a preference to drink Arabica coffee neat.

Starbucks had to pivot away from coffee to tea in India for that reason, and Starbucks in Vietnam failed due to their Arabica heavy bias [0] (also, Coffee shops in VN tend to also serve an equally robust Tea menu, which Starbucks fails at)

There are some solid coffee purist shops in D3, but the average consumer prefers Highland, Phuc Long, or Trung Nguyen Legend style shops and mixed coffees.

That said, the same problem mentioned in the blog above are slowly manifesting in VN as well. My in-laws are/were coffee farmers in Gia Lai, but they and their peers have pivoted to nuts like Macadamias instead because margins are better and Coffee is too commoditized

> I've seen a Vietnamese coffee brand from Amazon with fancy branding but my bet is still shitty coffee

Yep.

VN has a good FMCG market now, but they don't really target the US for exports.

[0] - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66167222

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5. taeric+h31[view] [source] 2024-12-02 21:01:16
>>alephn+JB
It really has gotten to the point that different coffee should be treated as different teas. Nobody expect that the different teas should taste the same. For some reason, the expectation is largely that coffee should be coffee.

And, it is mind bending for some folks to hear that I abhor the taste of arabica coffee. It is so so bad.

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6. roflye+512[view] [source] 2024-12-03 08:19:48
>>taeric+h31
If you don't like arabica, what are you drinking? Robusta? How are you drinking it?
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7. taeric+SN2[view] [source] 2024-12-03 15:21:23
>>roflye+512
Indeed, robusta. It amuses me that I'm probably fine with folgers and/or whatever cheap coffee you can get when in a hotel. At home, I think death wish is the only easy way I know to buy robusta whole bean.
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8. roflye+dv3[view] [source] 2024-12-03 18:51:32
>>taeric+SN2
I have had specialty robusta (I have some green robusta in my house right now) but it has always been pretty tough to drink for me, but I don't like adding sugar or milk to my coffee most of the time.
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9. taeric+UD3[view] [source] 2024-12-03 19:37:27
>>roflye+dv3
I take my coffee neat, most of the time. Have had more lattes than otherwise lately. And, oddly, that is the only way I can take the taste of arabica coffee. :D
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10. roflye+Us6[view] [source] 2024-12-04 19:34:59
>>taeric+UD3
Funny! I have had robusta black, both espresso and filter, and man it just doesn't do it for me.
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