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1. bux93+d3[view] [source] 2024-11-28 10:07:04
>>bertma+(OP)
It's not what you know, but who you know. Any type of mass-media is fodder for the have-nots, while the haves get their information from trustworthy sources through their in-group. The more addictive facebook, tiktok and twitter are, the bigger the premium is of being part of the right group. Whether the memes you consume are in print is entirely incidental.
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2. cess11+T6[view] [source] 2024-11-28 10:49:20
>>bux93+d3
You really think the elites are generally better informed than the rest? They don't fall prey to stuff like celebrities, gossip media and so on?

I haven't seen any sign that this is the case among politicians where I live, or among the few quite rich people I've looked into the lives of, mainly through their email and interviews. Compared to the leftists in my "in-group" they're generally very uncritical, poorly informed and pretty narcissistic.

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3. Neverm+I9[view] [source] 2024-11-28 11:24:26
>>cess11+T6
"Elite" has so many meanings, it is near worthless without some tight context.

Most people who are really good at something, and became successful for it, primarily became good by doing. Some of those people read and developed complex thought, and likely and rightly give great credit to that. But many others? Not so much.

On the other hand, I think the quality (or the direction of quality) of a society as a whole has a very strong correlation with the percentage of people who read deeply and widely.

I am not only surprised by how simplistic many people's views and reasoning are, but how unaware they are of the world. And how unaware they are that there are people around them that know so much more.

They are not just myopic, they don't have a map, and are unaware other people have them and expand them.

I had a desktop wallpaper of a visualization of a large part of the universe, the beautiful webbing and voids, where galaxies are pixels or less. An aquaintance asked what it was. When I told her, she stared at it like her brain had just crashed. She couldn't process, couldn't believe, the picture, the concept.

People unfamiliar with that artifact is no big deal. But people not having anything to mentally connect it to when they encounter it is scary.

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4. cess11+Xl[view] [source] 2024-11-28 13:45:30
>>Neverm+I9
Power, like money, is mainly inherited.
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5. FredPr+Zw[view] [source] 2024-11-28 15:26:20
>>cess11+Xl
This sounds more like a slogan, a belief, than a fact.

It’s not true for the extreme top end: [0]

Here’s a Yahoo Finance article citing several efforts to investigate inheritance vs self-made wealth in the upper middle class: [1]

We keep electing new politicians and buying the latest and greatest thing. Technology keeps revolutionizing everything.

This leads to a ton of churn at the top as incumbents are replaced.

What may fool you though is that all successful people are similar in important ways (Anna Karenina principle). But they are not the same people.

[0] https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/billionaires-self-made

[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/79-millionaires-self-made-les...

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6. cess11+MK[view] [source] 2024-11-28 16:53:47
>>FredPr+Zw
There is no self-made wealth. You can't become wealthy without the labour of other people.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/03/all-billion...

The article you linked was a bit fuzzy, seems they counted people like Thiel and Musk as 'entrepreneurs' rather than inheritance because they didn't keep running a family company. But them being wealthy is absolutely connected to their families being privileged and the nasty, nasty crimes they profited from.

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7. FredPr+uN[view] [source] 2024-11-28 17:12:24
>>cess11+MK
You know you’ve gone off the deep end when you call Musk an “entrepreneur” in quotes instead of what he is - a regular, if excellent, entrepreneur.

Having a leg up due to coming from a well-off background invalidates nothing. These top entrepreneurs and politicians typically grew up upper-middle class or as members of the minor rich; they rise to positions of prominence from there.

That’s fundamentally different from inheriting power even if you’re a dunce as kings once did.

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8. cess11+3U1[view] [source] 2024-11-29 05:41:26
>>FredPr+uN
No, he's not, he's a douche born into criminal wealth that organisations he ends up in needs to protect themselves from.

Today he's also a fascist grifter who's entered into politics. For some reason usians don't revolt when their political system elects rapists, genocidaires and people on the far right, so I'm hoping it'll turn into something like a kingdom that they find it in themselves to overturn.

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9. FredPr+PZ1[view] [source] 2024-11-29 06:48:32
>>cess11+3U1
> Douche

No accounting for taste

> born into ... wealth

It's a very minor thing in the big picture to be born into a 3rd world country like South Africa's top 1%.

> criminal wealth

His dad likely had some dodgy dealings, but there's every indication that he made the bulk of his money legally. Anyway, how does that reflect on Musk? Did we go back to "sins of the fathers"?

> organisations he ends up in needs to protect themselves from.

Ah yes, it's pure coincidence that so many of these organizations go on to absolutely kick ass. Let's check in on the EV situation at, say, GM or BMW in an alternate universe without Tesla. Or on the progress at ULA or Blue Origin.

> fascist

I don't think you understand what that word means. A key part of fascism is unlimited government control - the exact opposite of what he wants.

> grifter

He sells stuff? I guess that's bad in your eyes?

> who's entered into politics

How very dare he!?

> rapists, genocidaires and people on the far right,

Nice linking those three things together.

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10. cess11+Lg2[view] [source] 2024-11-29 09:35:40
>>FredPr+PZ1
Apartheid was a crime. SA occupying and running mining operations in other countries was criminal. Profiting from it means you're accumulating criminal wealth.

Mistaking first-mover advantage and access to extreme amounts of funding for "kick ass" is quite weird.

No, that's not a characteristic of fascism. He's impressed by and promotes nazis, maintains his wealth through corporativism, and so on.

No, it's that he makes wild promises, takes money and then don't deliver on them that makes him a grifter.

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11. FredPr+lJ2[view] [source] 2024-11-29 15:03:27
>>cess11+Lg2
Just going to drill into a couple of aspects of your rant.

First, fascism is a totalitarian ideology. You could have googled it yourself instead of parroting what The View tells you. It demands 100% subordination of individual interests in service of the state. Here's a quote from Mussolini: "The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist" [0] From his support of Trump and DOGE, we can conclude that he's the opposite of a fascist and wants to reduce the state. He's much more Millei than Mussolini. This is so elementary I'm a little confused as to why I have to spell it out.

Here's some more homework for you: [1]. Words like Nazi and Fascist and Communist have meanings. If we want to have a civilized society, we must first respect the meanings of words so that we can have a conversation.

Second: name a Nazi that Musk likes. Before you say Trump, here's Trump's Fine People speech. Watch the whole thing, then tell me he's a Nazi. Then also keep in mind the massive "Trump calls Nazis Fine People" hoax the media has been banging on about ever since: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGKbFA7HW-U

Here's one of him disavowing the KKK many times over a long period: https://x.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/897112536574828544

Third, Musk is known for making wild promises, many of which are as yet undone. Nobody would care who he is if that was all there is to him. But some of his wild promises are real and part of everyday life.

Fourth, if you think he wins due to extreme funding, go read the stories of Zip2, Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX. All of the above teetered on the brink of nonexistence due to being bootstrapped by Musk who was then strapped for cash.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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12. cess11+Db4[view] [source] 2024-11-30 06:15:38
>>FredPr+lJ2
Fascism is a phase under capitalism where ideology breaks down and the people in power are split between going into hiding and panicked power grabs through any means available. Typically it involves ultra-nationalists taking formal political power and increasing the capitalist totalitarian impulse.

The state is much, much more "all-embracing" today than what Mussolini could ever have imagined, and has been for a long time, decades.

Musk wants a more total influence on the world, he doesn't want anyone to be able to say something negative about him, for example. He wants to eradicate large swathes of people, explicitly by making it impossible to talk about them and in practice it will likely boil down to the destruction of their bodies once that fails.

You're obviously sympathetic to this neo-fascist movement. Let's hope you'll manage to leave, because by now it looks like the resistance to it has to get violent.

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