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1. hypeat+s5[view] [source] 2024-09-15 20:12:47
>>babelf+(OP)
So basically:

Come up with contrived BS that caters to younger audiences, micromanage anyone who is holding you up, and attempt to game a blackbox algorithm on a site you don't pay for (YouTube)

The whole modern social media / influencer sphere seems like a huge bubble that will pop eventually. Google has already started wiping inactive accounts[0] presumably because storage isn't truly infinite or cheap. I imagine YT will also take the same path eventually.

0: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290?hl=en

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2. zulban+2a[view] [source] 2024-09-15 20:50:15
>>hypeat+s5
The guy has earned a net worth of maybe $700 million starting with YouTube. Saying it's all a bunch of contrived bullshit hides the fact the he is obviously brilliantly talented and dedicated at making a business from YouTube. If you or others blow off a document he wrote or an interview he gives because most of his videos are "just" gaming an algorithm then you must not be a very curious person.

I don't like coffee but I still might learn about the business since it's so big.

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3. brooks+Fc[view] [source] 2024-09-15 21:11:22
>>zulban+2a
I like your perspective but I don’t think liking coffee is the right comparison. It’s closer to reading a manual for a successful casino, where a lot of it is about manipulation rather than creating value. Obviously Mr. Beast isn’t as far out ethically as casinos, but IMO more in that direction than coffee tea preferences.
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4. ninety+0f[view] [source] 2024-09-15 21:27:37
>>brooks+Fc
Both perspectives are somewhat true. Mr. Beast is building the best YouTube videos. It is a quality product and it is entertainment. It’s garbage for education or self improvement but it’s legit for entertainment and you can’t dismiss entertainment as a net bad for the world, not completely.

You both are right and wrong in a way. Parent poster who only had negative things to say is totally out of touch.

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5. latexr+fk[view] [source] 2024-09-15 22:15:19
>>ninety+0f
> Mr. Beast is building the best YouTube videos. It is a quality product and it is entertainment.

Hard disagree. Is he making the most profitable, most clicked, or most viral videos? Maybe. That’s objectively quantifiable and I’ll give you that. But “best” is very subjective. I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass if Mr Beast stopped making videos and deleted his account today. His videos are the audiovisual equivalent of junk food: not good for you; negatively addictive; and big shady business.

Give me Folding Ideas any day. Now those are some quality and entertaining videos. The kind I save up to savour with some wine. That’s my definition of best. Yours will differ, but that’s the point.

https://www.youtube.com/@FoldingIdeas

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6. kiba+mv[view] [source] 2024-09-16 00:16:41
>>latexr+fk
I don't think it's junk food. It's...just not compelling to me.

My junk food consumption is really just education/science/maker youtube recommendation engine. Yes, I am constantly learning lot of interesting things to a certain level of depth, but I would be better off with only consuming youtube in the evening to wind down and getting things done in the morning and afternoon or diving deep where youtube don't tend to go.

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7. grumpl+gG[view] [source] 2024-09-16 02:43:50
>>kiba+mv
I’ve never watched this MrBeast person before, but the top result is “Last to to hand off Lamborghini, keeps it”. Other videos are similar. How is this not junk?
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8. ninety+NJ[view] [source] 2024-09-16 03:28:10
>>grumpl+gG
It's an examination of human psychology. That's why people are interested. How far are people willing to go for it? Who makes mistakes? How did the person who won beat everyone else?

I would say since it's about reality it's less junk then something like Shakespeare which is completely made up.

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9. Ygg2+SO[view] [source] 2024-09-16 04:35:55
>>ninety+NJ
It's just Safe for TV Squid games (not as the Series, the games itself). And it's not examination of psychology. It's just a silly competition to get more eyeballs.

It's a drama written by YouTube influencers. It thrives on being "real" while having to do with reality as much as "reality tv". Which is to say, none at all.

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10. ninety+mW[view] [source] 2024-09-16 06:16:47
>>Ygg2+SO
>And it's not examination of psychology.

You put humans in extreme situations and you see how they react and you see what they do. It is an examination of psychology 100%. That's why people were interested in the original show because how humans behave in extreme situations is what a lot of people are interested in.

>It's a drama written by YouTube influencers. It thrives on being "real" while having to do with reality as much as "reality tv". Which is to say, none at all.

Possible. But then again you have no evidence to back that up that it's entirely fake. The leaked document doesn't mention anything about faking anything. You made this statement up out of thin air without presenting evidence.

What's your evidence that Mr. Beasts videos don't have any psychology and are all fake?

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11. Ygg2+2Z[view] [source] 2024-09-16 06:53:27
>>ninety+mW
> You put humans in extreme situations and you see how they react and you see what they do

That's not psychology. That's torture for dubious gains. By that stretch of imagination, you can construe any gulag or concentration camp as an examination of psychology.

Psychology would require a double-blind experiment, some kind of control group, etc.

> Possible. But then again you have no evidence to back that up that it's entirely fake.

https://www.uniladtech.com/social-media/youtube/mrbeast-resp...

He already faked videos before.

Most of how reality TV works is by live editing to create narratives and guiding players along what the audience wants to see. It's lies by omission and exaggeration.

> The leaked document doesn't mention anything about faking anything.

Well, of course the official manual isn't going to spell it out, that's stuff that's admissible in court. But learn to read between the lines.

No CEO is going to tell his employees, lie, cheat and steal to get our taxes to appear as low as possible, and our revenue as high as possible. They will say: "Be a go getter. Get those KPIs in the green. Only you can make a difference! Make me proud! Etc."

That said, the leaked production document is alarming even by these standards. "NO DOES NOT MEAN NO" stands head and shoulders above the rest in its implication, even if it didn't sound like a rapist's mantra.

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12. ninety+T11[view] [source] 2024-09-16 07:26:36
>>Ygg2+2Z
>That's not psychology. That's torture for dubious gains.

No. Examining all human behavior under all circumstances is psychology. EVEN torture.

Even so. You call it torture and that's way over the top and offensive because what's happening here is NOT torture. These people are there voluntarily and are experiencing NOTHING even close to torture. I have family members who were in concentration camps so I know this.

>He already faked videos before.

Should've presented this first. I find it quite likely he faked some videos and others aren't fake.

>Well, of course the official manual isn't going to spell it out, that's stuff that's admissible in court. But learn to read between the lines.

I mentioned the manual because you didn't bring ANY evidence to the table. The only other official document on the table was the original article and I said IT had no evidence. There is no reading between the lines. Present evidence.

Your link here: https://www.uniladtech.com/social-media/youtube/mrbeast-resp... is good. But again it doesn't mean his whole operation is fake. AND this link is a mild and weak accusation at best that the abandoned city is near a popular beach or can't be reached by car. I happened to watch this video and he never mentioned it was completely remote like that. Those accusations are like saying yosemite isn't the wilderness because buses and shuttles drive around inside of the park.

>rapist's mantra.

Rapist? You're over the top describing things like this. Rape is a crime. What Mr. Beast does as bad as you think it is, is nowhere even close to rape.

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13. Ygg2+x31[view] [source] 2024-09-16 07:42:26
>>ninety+T11
> No. Examining all human behavior under all circumstances is psychology. EVEN torture.

Psychology is a science. Or at least tries to be. What you describe is sadism.

> Should've presented this first.

You should have investigated Mr. Beast a bit better before coming into this discussion.

> There is no reading between the lines. Present evidence.

Have you ever worked in a corporate environment? Honest question. Because I did, and such behavior is standard practice. Never write anything that's incriminating, only discuss in private.

Hell, just read about Google and how engineers were told to not use the M(arket) -word in any written communication.

https://themarkup.org/google-the-giant/2020/08/07/google-doc...

> Rapist? Whatever this guy is, he's not a rapist. Your language is way over the top.

Step 1. Please read what I said. Step 2. Don't add words to my sentences.

I said SOUNDS LIKE a rapist's mantra. "No means no" is the female anti-rape slogan. What do you get when you negate an anti-rape mantra? A rapist's mantra.

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That aside, the 'No doesn't mean No' part sounds absolutely Machiavellian for a guidebook for new employees.

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14. ninety+z91[view] [source] 2024-09-16 08:51:59
>>Ygg2+x31
>Psychology is a science. Or at least tries to be. What you describe is sadism.

It's a science and observing human behavior is within the lines of that science. It's not formal application but it's observing human behavior nonetheless.

>You should have investigated Mr. Beast a bit better before coming into this discussion.

I did, found no evidence, and yours is flimsy.

>Have you ever worked in a corporate environment? Honest question. Because I did, and such behavior is standard practice. Never write anything that's incriminating, only discuss in private.

I don't care, without evidence everything is just made up circumstance. The possibility is there but your accusations are more than reading between the lines. The concentration camp thing and rapist comparison are evidence of this.

>I said SOUNDS LIKE a rapist's mantra.

Sounds like your a child molester and pedophile. See what I did there? I only said you "sound" like that. What I said was an example but if it was a real comparison it's completely over the top and uncalled for.

Your comparison was completely uncalled for, "No doesn't mean No" doesn't need to be placed in the context of rape, of course he's saying that in the context of an aggressive hustle culture.

>That aside, the 'No doesn't mean No' part sounds absolutely Machiavellian for a guidebook for new employees.

He's promoting a hustle culture. I'm not too into that myself. But "Machiavellian" is, again, too over the top.

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15. Ygg2+3f1[view] [source] 2024-09-16 09:53:08
>>ninety+z91
> It's a science and observing human behavior is within the lines of that science.

That's not science. Science requires, hypothesis and testing, it also requires isolating confounding factors. Reality TVs and Mr. Beast videos aren't that.

> I did, found no evidence, and yours is flimsy.

Is it? Luckily, there is more, now go and look better.

> Sounds like your a child molester and pedophile. See what I did there?

Do you mean you're putting words in my mouth? I'm used to it.

> Your comparison was completely uncalled for, "No doesn't mean No" doesn't need to be placed in the context of rape, of course he's saying that in the context of an aggressive hustle culture.

Seeing the culture/people he surrounded himself with, I'm not sure if that's uncalled-for. But I'm awaiting further proof to make a definite statement.

> He's promoting a hustle culture. I'm not too into that myself. But "Machiavellian" is, again, too over the top.

'Ends justify the means' is literally Machiavellian. That guidebook is full of it. Call it hustle, call it A-players, it's the same thing.

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To sum up, you don't know what science is, you don't seem to be able to read between the lines, came into this uninformed and have a nasty tendency to misread and put words I didn't write/commission into my mouth. I'm done here. This is debate with someone who's arguing in bad faith.

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16. ninety+l22[view] [source] 2024-09-16 16:04:49
>>Ygg2+3f1
I know what science is, I’m a scientist and I’ve studied the philosophy of science extensively as well. You’re talking about formal science. Therapy and much of the things that take place in psychology aren’t formal.

Informal science the lambo show has a question, hypothesis and actual test. It’s just not academic, but the results form legit qualitative data that can be used in a formal presentation if one should so choose.

I can read between the lines but choose not to.

I have not misread you are the one making comparisons to rape and using examples like “concentration camp” and torture. It is entirely true to say your language is over the top.

I’m glad you’re done. But I don’t agree with your accusations at all.

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