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>>southe+(OP)
I wonder if this is coming up just before the election because of the Harris campaign’s suggested policy of capital gains tax on unrealised gains for people who have over $100m in assets? I think this is a great idea personally given what these people are doing to avoid paying tax including taking out loans against their own share portfolios. Worth thinking about what people are willing to do to not pay billions of dollars worth of taxes.

>>andy_p+ex
Do "these people" include entrepreneurs with equity in startups with rapidly increasing value but no way to take money off the table? It doesn't take much to cross "$100m in assets" as a startup, say, $2.5M in revenue at 40x valuation (or $5M at 20x, etc.), even while loss-making.

How should the founders and equity investors in a bootstrapped high growth unicorn that is neither public nor profit-making handle this proposed capital gains tax? Does this mean VC funds would need to set aside arbitrary amounts of cash to cover impossible-to-predict taxes on cap gains during, say, a 7 year window?

It could also make it harder to attract and keep talent, since the earliest stage employees often rely on equity grants as part of their compensation. Does this mean every early stage employee has to have deep enough pockets to cover cap gains tax pre-revenue? And what happens when the company implodes past the look-back for recouping tax overpayment?

It might make sense to focus on closing existing loopholes without creating new burdens and cash flow barriers that could disrupt the innovation and growth ecosystem with unintended second and third order consequences.

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Edit to add:

It's true that a peeved Wall St donated a fraction to Biden this season relative to the past, and — surely entirely unrelatedly — partnerships and private equity were taken out of the latest incarnation, leaving in publicly traded and the $100M holdings.

If passed, this will be tinkered with, encircling ever more to offset the loopholes inevitably used.

>>Terret+TB
This all seems very easy to deal with. Pay employees cash not equity. Founders can negotiate with investors to take enough cash compensation at each round to cover their tax bill. Investors can use financial instruments to hedge their risk.

>>jhp123+ZS
That’s an awful idea. Startups need cash that cash, now. Wasting it on tax bills for evaluations that don’t become reality would just make everything worse and reduce runways.

>>onepoi+mW
if they need more cash they can sell more stock.

Taxing entrepreneurs will lead to worse outcomes for entrepreneurs. That is obvious. Every tax has a cost. But we need to fund the government and it is not fair for workers to pay for everything while much wealthier investors and entrepreneurs do not.

>>jhp123+h51
I don't think you have a grasp on how businesses work or how the markets work. This line of thinking is so far away from reality that while I believe in your heart you think it's right, it's clearly an emotional action and not one based on factual data.

The market volatility, job volatility, international competitiveness, and impact on innovation and entrepreneurship, that this will cause will be absolutely chaotic.

Assuming it works out exactly as you believe, do you believe this will solve the US's financial issues and burdens? Everything i've read say they expect $300-$500 billion over ten years. Let's just go wild and say we get 1 Trillion a Year, currently the deficit for just 2023 is estimated at 1.5 trillion. Again wouldn't solve this issue, and that's assuming we spent 0 on any more social programs or other welfare programs.

Instead, why not focus on specific tax laws you feel are lax and more importantly hold your representatives accountable for the run-away spending? I assume based on your position you would be encourage to spend more on social programs than we currently do? It's noble.. where's the money coming from though? It's all a bit too communistic to me.

We have seen time and time again that laws passed end up impacting the middle class. Congrats, currency inflation continues to run rampant, your house value is through the roof now.... And because you don't have the capital we're going to seize it for non-payment of unrealized gains.

I have yet to see a well thought out logical response to the impacts this sort of emotional lawmaking will bring.

Can you counter the above genuinely? I truly want to understand.