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1. jmull+P12[view] [source] 2024-05-23 15:22:46
>>richar+(OP)
Well, here are some things that aren't really being disputed:

* OpenAI wanted an AI voice that sounds like SJ

* SJ declined

* OpenAI got an AI voice that sounds like SJ anyway

I guess they want us to believe this happened without shenanigans, but it's bit hard to.

The headline of the article is a little funny, because records can't really show they weren't looking for an SJ sound-alike. They can just show that those records didn't mention it. The key decision-makers could simply have agreed to keep that fact close-to-the-vest -- they may have well understood that knocking off a high-profile actress was legally perilous.

Also, I think we can readily assume OpenAI understood that one of their potential voices sounded a lot like SJ. Since they were pursuing her they must have had a pretty good idea of what they were going after, especially considering the likely price tag. So even if an SJ voice wasn't the original goal, it clearly became an important goal to them. They surely listened to demos for many voice actors, auditioned a number of them, and may even have recorded many of them, but somehow they selected one for release who seemed to sound a lot like SJ.

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2. HarHar+r82[view] [source] 2024-05-23 15:52:05
>>jmull+P12
Clearly an SJ voice was the goal, given that Altman asked her to do it, asked her a second time just two days before the ChatGPT-4o release, and then tweeted "her" on the release day. The next day Karpathy, recently ex-OpenAI, then tweets "The killer app of LLMs is Scarlett Johansson".

Altman appears to be an habitual liar. Note his recent claim not to be aware of the non-disparagement and claw-back terms he had departing employees agree to. Are we supposed to believe that the company lawyer or head of HR did this without consulting (or more likely being instructed by) the co-founder and CEO?!

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3. tptace+B82[view] [source] 2024-05-23 15:52:43
>>HarHar+r82
They hired the actor that did the voice months before they contacted SJ. The reaction on this site to the news that this story was false is kind of mindbending.
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4. summer+6m2[view] [source] 2024-05-23 16:58:04
>>tptace+B82
My guess: Sam wanted to imitate the voice from Her and became aware of Midler v. Ford cases so reached out to SJ. He probably didn't expect her decline. Anyway, this prior case tells that you cannot mimic other's voice without their permission and the overall timeline indicates OpenAI's "intention" of imitation. It does not matter if they used SJ's voice in the training set or not. Their intention matters.
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5. Alupis+Ep2[view] [source] 2024-05-23 17:16:38
>>summer+6m2
I cannot read the article because of it's paywall - is there actual proof OpenAI reached out to Johansson - or is it just being alleged by her lawyers?

It seems she has every reason to benefit from claiming Sky sounded like her even if it was a coincidence. "Go away" payments are very common, even for celebrities - and OpenAI has deep pockets...

Even so, if they got a voice actor to impersonate or sound similar to Johansson, is that something that's not allowed?

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6. HarHar+Kb3[view] [source] 2024-05-23 21:48:21
>>Alupis+Ep2
Johansson is a super successful actress and no doubt rejects 95% of roles offered to her, just as she rejected Altman's request to be the voice of ChatGPT.

She doesn't need "go away" payments, and in any case that is not what we're looking at here. OpenAI offered her money to take the part, and she said no.

According to celebrity net worth website, SJ is worth $165M.

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7. Alupis+YG3[view] [source] 2024-05-24 02:18:52
>>HarHar+Kb3
> Johansson is a super successful actress and no doubt rejects 95% of roles offered to her

> She doesn't need "go away" payments

> According to celebrity net worth website, SJ is worth $165M.

I have no idea what Johansson's estimated net worth, or her acting career have to do with this? Wealthy people sue all the time for all kinds of ridiculous things.

The voice is, in fact, not Johansson. Yet, it appears she will be suing them non-the-less...

It's not illegal to sound like someone else - despite what people might be claiming. If it turns out to be true that Sky's voice actor was recorded prior to the attempted engagement with Johansson, then all of this is extra absurd.

Also, Sky doesn't sound like Johansson anyway... but apparently that isn't going to matter in this situation.

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8. NBJack+q55[view] [source] 2024-05-24 16:14:17
>>Alupis+YG3
Miller v. Ford Motor Co. would disagree. There is a viable legal precedent, and it is very arguably illegal.

> The appellate court ruled that the voice of someone famous as a singer is distinctive to their person and image and therefore, as a part of their identity, it is unlawful to imitate their voice without express consent and approval. The appellate court reversed the district court's decision and ruled in favor of Midler, indicating her voice was protected against unauthorized use.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

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9. throwt+3Q6[view] [source] 2024-05-25 11:48:07
>>NBJack+q55
They’d have to prove the voice actor was imitating SJ. If OpenAI recorded the entire interview process as well as the sessions where they recorded the actor for samples to steer the model with then it should be open and shut. There’s also the fact of the 4 other voices. Who are they meant to be?
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