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1. contra+tX[view] [source] 2024-05-23 07:44:26
>>richar+(OP)
I think it's really problematic that the government is protecting voice actor's careers. It's like if they disallowed cars on the roads to protect horse carriages. Clearly with the new technology a whole economic sector is gone and irrelevant over night. Now amateurs and small projects can afford to add good sounding voices to their creations. This is good news in the end

The same goes for actors and their likenesses ... just stop protecting ultra wealthy celebrities. They'll be a bit poorer, but they're going to be okay. You're just holding back progress

I can imagine in a decade some place like China which doesn't care about protecting celebrities will have movies with dozens of Tom Cruises Arnolds and Johansson's and will just be pumping out better quality content at affordable budgets. Young talented directors won't be hamstrung by these legal roadblocks

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2. JumpCr+7Y[view] [source] 2024-05-23 07:48:17
>>contra+tX
> like if they disallowed cars on the roads to protect horse carriages

What? Nobody is banning OpenAI from licensing voices. The censure is on, at the very least, using an unlicensed likeness to promote their new products without compensation. (Assuming Sky truly is a clean-room product.)

Likeness just became a tradeable product. That wasn't true before. The better analogy is in recognising mineral rights, including crude oil, after the utility of it was recognised and traded on [1].

> ultra wealthy celebrities

We have a hundred millionaire atop a multi-billion dollar industry fighting a billionaire atop a multi-billion dollar company. Nobody gets to cry poverty.

> can imagine in a decade some place like China which doesn't care about protecting celebrities

Would positively love to see Altman try to pull this stunt with Xi Jinping's voice.

[1] https://info.courthousedirect.com/blog/history-of-mineral-ri...

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3. persni+U51[view] [source] 2024-05-23 08:54:25
>>JumpCr+7Y
What makes a likeness a likeness?

A measure of similarity? Then I demand all people sounding like me to license their voice from me.

A claim that the voice originates from a certain person? Then you don't need any licensing in this case.

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4. JumpCr+I61[view] [source] 2024-05-23 09:03:28
>>persni+U51
> What makes a likeness a likeness?

I'm not sure. Precedented personality rights would be a good place to start [1].

I'd argue for a higher standard of evidence for human-produced voices, Middler v. Ford Motor Co. seems good as any [2]. But a lower burden for synthesised voices, given the difficulty in proving intent and mass producibility of them.

> A claim that the voice originates from a certain person? Then you don't need any licensing in this case

Altman basically claimed as much by tweeting about Her in its context. At that point, he is using her fame to market his products without her permission.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

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