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1. mwigda+OQ[view] [source] 2024-05-18 04:13:00
>>fnbr+(OP)
The best approach to circumventing the nondisclosure agreement is for the affected employees to get together, write out everything they want to say about OpenAI, train an LLM on that text, and then release it.

Based on these companies' arguments that copyrighted material is not actually reproduced by these models, and that any seemingly-infringing use is the responsibility of the user of the model rather than those who produced it, anyone could freely generate an infinite number of high-truthiness OpenAI anecdotes, freshly laundered by the inference engine, that couldn't be used against the original authors without OpenAI invalidating their own legal stance with respect to their own models.

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2. andyjo+q41[view] [source] 2024-05-18 08:02:37
>>mwigda+OQ
Clever, but the law is not a machine or an algorithm. Intent matters.

Training an LLM with the intent of contravening an NDA is just plain <intent to contravene an NDA>. Everyone would still get sued anyway.

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3. jeffre+961[view] [source] 2024-05-18 08:29:04
>>andyjo+q41
But then training a commercial model is done with the intent to not pay the original authors, how is that different?
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4. repeek+d81[view] [source] 2024-05-18 08:53:43
>>jeffre+961
> done with the intent to not pay the original authors

no one building this software wants to “steal from creators” and the legal precedent for using copyrighted works for the purpose of training is clear with the NYT case against open AI

It’s why things like the recent deal with Reddit to train on their data (which Reddit owns and users give up when using the platform) are becoming so important, same with Twitter/X

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5. kaoD+ma1[view] [source] 2024-05-18 09:27:34
>>repeek+d81
> no one building this software wants to “steal from creators”

> It’s why things like the recent deal[s ...] are becoming so important

Sorry but I don't follow. Is it one or the other?

If they didn't want to steal from the original authors, why do they not-steal Reddit now? What happens with the smaller creators that are not Reddit? When is OpenAI meeting with me to discuss compensation?

To me your post felt something like "I'm not robbing you, Small State Without Defense that I just invaded, I just want to have your petroleum, but I'm paying Big State for theirs cause they can kick my ass".

Aren't the recent deals actually implying that everything so far has actually been done with the intent of not compensating their source data creators? If that was not the case, they wouldn't need any deals now, they'd just continue happily doing whatever they've been doing which is oh so clearly lawful.

What did I miss?

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