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1. mwigda+OQ[view] [source] 2024-05-18 04:13:00
>>fnbr+(OP)
The best approach to circumventing the nondisclosure agreement is for the affected employees to get together, write out everything they want to say about OpenAI, train an LLM on that text, and then release it.

Based on these companies' arguments that copyrighted material is not actually reproduced by these models, and that any seemingly-infringing use is the responsibility of the user of the model rather than those who produced it, anyone could freely generate an infinite number of high-truthiness OpenAI anecdotes, freshly laundered by the inference engine, that couldn't be used against the original authors without OpenAI invalidating their own legal stance with respect to their own models.

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2. TeMPOr+0T[view] [source] 2024-05-18 04:55:59
>>mwigda+OQ
Clever, but no.

The argument about LLMs not being copyright laundromats making sense hinges the scale and non-specificity of training. There's a difference between "LLM reproduced this piece of copyrighted work because it memorized it from being fed literally half the internet", vs. "LLM was intentionally trained to specifically reproduce variants of this particular work". Whatever one's stances on the former case, the latter case would be plain infringing copyrights and admitting to it.

In other words: GPT-4 gets to get away with occasionally spitting out something real verbatim. Llama2-7b-finetune-NYTArticles does not.

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3. bluefi+kT[view] [source] 2024-05-18 05:01:51
>>TeMPOr+0T
Seems absurd that somehow the scale being massive makes it better somehow

You would think having a massive scale just means it has infringed even more copyrights, and therefore should be in even more hot water

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4. kmeist+SX[view] [source] 2024-05-18 06:20:10
>>bluefi+kT
So, the law has this concept of 'de minimus' infringement, where if you take a very small amount - like, way smaller than even a fair use - the courts don't care. If you're taking a handful of word probabilities from every book ever written, then the portion taken from each work is very, very low, so courts aren't likely to care.

If you're only training on a handful of works then you're taking more from them, meaning it's not de minimus.

For the record, I got this legal theory from Cory Doctorow[0], but I'm skeptical. It's very plausible, but at the same time, we also thought sampling in music was de minimus until the Second Circuit said otherwise. Copyright law is extremely malleable in the presence of moneyed interests, sometimes without Congressional intervention even!

[0] who is NOT pro-AI, he just thinks labor law is a better bulwark against it than copyright

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5. wtalli+xY[view] [source] 2024-05-18 06:29:07
>>kmeist+SX
If your training process ingests the entire text of the book, and trains with a large context size, you're getting more than just "a handful of word probabilities" from that book.
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6. ben_w+zZ[view] [source] 2024-05-18 06:46:31
>>wtalli+xY
If you've trained a 16-bit ten billion parameter model on ten trillion tokens, then the mean training token changes 2/125 of a bit, and a 60k word novel (~75k tokens) contributes 1200 bits.

It's up to you if that counts as "a handful" or not.

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7. andrep+C41[view] [source] 2024-05-18 08:04:09
>>ben_w+zZ
xz can compress the text of Harry Potter by a factor of 30:1. Does that mean I can also distribute compressed copies of copyrighted works and that's okay?
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8. Sharli+o51[view] [source] 2024-05-18 08:18:46
>>andrep+C41
Incredibly poor analogy. If an LLM were able to regurgitate Harry Potter on demand like xz can, the copyright situation would be much more black and white. But they can’t, and it’s not even close.
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