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>>Jimmc4+(OP)
It is easy to point to loopy theories around superalignment, p(doom), etc. But you don't have to be hopped up on sci-fi to oppose something like GPT-4o. Low-latency response time is fine. The faking of emotions and overt references to Her (along with the suspiciously-timed relaxation of pornographic generations) are not fine. I suspect Altman/Brockman/Murati intended for this thing to be dangerous for mentally unwell users, using the exact same logic as tobacco companies.

>>nickle+491
One could also say that therapists prey on lonely people who pay them to talk to them and seem like they’re genuinely interested in them, when the therapist wouldn’t bother having a connection with these people once they stop paying. Which I suppose is true from a certain point of view. But from another point of view, sometimes people feel like they don’t have close friends or family to talk to and need something, even if it’s not a genuine love or friendship.

>>bnralt+Dg1
This is implying that therapy is nothing more than someone to talk to; if that’s your experience with therapy, then you should get another therapist.

>>kettro+rh1
I think the preying part of therapy is that there's just no defined stop condition. There's no such thing as "healthy" in mental health. You get chemo until you go into remission or you die. You take blood pressure meds until you have a better lifestyle and body composition and don't need them anymore, etc. There's no analogue for "you're healthy now, go away so I can help others", and so therapy goes on forever until the patient stops for whatever reason.

>>naaski+Tj1
> I think the preying part of therapy is that there's just no defined stop condition.

There's no defined stop point for physical development either... Top performing athletes still have trainers, and nobody sees that as a problem. If it's mental development though, it must have a stop point?

>>cbsmit+Wk1
What a ridiculous analogy. "Athlete" is a career. Is someone making a career of being in therapy?

> If it's mental development though, it must have a stop point?

What is being developed, exactly?

>>naaski+nv1
> What a ridiculous analogy. "Athlete" is a career.

The athlete is the extreme example, but there are obviously people who are not career athletes that don't have a defined stop point with employing a trainer (maybe you could say "death" is the stop point).

Most everyone who goes to spinning class isn't a career athlete. Some of them are terribly out of shape, and some of those people just want to get in shape. Others may already be in shape, but see the spinning class as a way to either improve or maintain their conditioning. None of this is deemed ridiculous.

I'm curious, it's considered the norm to regularly see a doctor or dentist, do you think they're preying on their patients?

> What is being developed, exactly?

Mental health. There's obviously a more involved answer, but if you don't know it already, it's unlikely I'll be able to educate you with a comment on social media.

>>cbsmit+Fz1
> but there are obviously people who are not career athletes that don't have a defined stop point with employing a trainer

And many of them are being bilked as well. The fitness industry is notoriously filled with hucksters and scams, and "trainers" rarely have any real training in kinesiology or exercise science.

> I'm curious, it's considered the norm to regularly see a doctor or dentist, do you think they're preying on their patients?

Once a year for a health checkup. Is that the norm for therapy?

> Mental health. There's obviously a more involved answer

The more involved answer is that "mental health" is not well-defined, so it's not developing anything. The only therapies that have shown to have any empirical validity, like CBT, train the user in tools to change their own behaviour and thinking, then it's on the user to employ the tools. Does a family doctor call you in once a week and watch you take the pills that address your physical ailment?

The best analogy for psychiatric therapy is physical therapy for recovering from an injury or surgery, except physical therapy has a well-defined end condition, which is when you understand how to do the exercises yourself. Then it's on you to do them. This is just not the norm for "mental health" therapy.

>>naaski+1M1
Nail on the head, thanks. I'm deeply uncomfortable with anything that combines paying for a service with a social element. Feels like an unstable equilibrium.

I guess the skill is riding the line, but that doesn't feel very enjoyable.

>>sdwr+XY1
> I'm deeply uncomfortable with anything that combines paying for a service with a social element.

I think I don't know what you mean by that. That sounds like you're uncomfortable with renting out party venues.