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1. HarHar+vu1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 19:23:01
>>modele+(OP)
Any competent lawyer is going to get Musk on the stand reiterating his opinions about the danger of AI. If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given.

Not saying I agree that being closed source is in the public good, although one could certainly argue that accelerating the efforts of bad actors to catch up would not be a positive.

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2. nicce+1w1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 19:30:18
>>HarHar+vu1
> If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given.

Not really. It slows down like security over obscurity. It needs to be open that we know the real risks and we have the best information to combat it. Otherwise, someone who does the same in closed matter, has better chances to get advantage when misusing it.

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3. patcon+Fx1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 19:39:31
>>nicce+1w1
When I try to port your logic over into nuclear capacity it doesn't hold very well.

Nuclear capacity is constrained, and those constraining it attempt to do so for reasons public good (energy, warfare, peace). You could argue about effectiveness, but our failure to self-annihilate seems positive testament to the strategy.

Transparency does not serve us when mitigating certain forms of danger. I'm trying to remain humble with this, but it's not clear to me what balance of benefit and danger current AI is. (Not even considering the possibility of AGI, which is beyond scope of my comment)

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4. mywitt+lI1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 20:42:11
>>patcon+Fx1
The difference between nuclear capability and AI capability is that you can't just rent out nuclear enrichment facilities on a per-hour basis, nor can you buy the components to build such facilities at a local store. But you can train AI models by renting AWS servers or building your own.

If one could just walk into a store and buy plutonium, then society would probably take a much different approach to nuclear security.

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5. TeMPOr+0K1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 20:52:11
>>mywitt+lI1
AI isn't like nuclear weapons. AI is like bioweapons. The easier it is for anyone to play with highly potent pathogens, the more likely it is someone will accidentally end the world. With nukes, you need people on opposite sides to escalate from first detection to full-blown nuclear exchange; there's always a chance someone decides to not follow through with MAD. With bioweapons, it only takes one, and then there's no way to stop it.

Transparency doesn't serve us here.

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6. serf+0P1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 21:25:10
>>TeMPOr+0K1
it's the weirdest thing to compare nuclear weapons and biological catastrophe to tools that people around the world right now are using towards personal/professional/capitalistic benefit.

bioweapons is the thing, AI is a tool to make things. That's exactly the most powerful distinction here. Bioweapon research didn't also serendipitously make available powerful tools for the generation of images/sounds/text/ideas/plans -- so there isn't much reason to compare the benefit of the two.

These arguments aren't the same as "Let's ban the personal creation of terrifying weaponry", they're the same as "Let's ban wrenches and hack-saws because they can be used down the line in years from now to facilitate the create of terrifying weaponry" -- the problem with this argument being that it ignores the boons that such tools will allow for humanity.

Wrenches and hammers would have been banned too had they been framed as weapons of bludgeoning and torture by those that first encountered them. Thankfully people saw the benefits offered otherwise.

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7. patcon+LG2[view] [source] 2024-03-02 06:14:35
>>serf+0P1
> it's the weirdest thing to compare nuclear weapons and biological catastrophe to tools that people around the world right now are using towards personal/professional/capitalistic benefit.

You're literally painting a perfect analogy for biotech/nuclear/AI. Catastrophe and culture-shifting benefits go hand in hand with all of them. It's about figuring out where the lines are. But claiming there is minimal or negligible risk ("so let's just run with it" as some say, maybe not you) feels very cavalier to me.

But you're not alone, if you feel that way. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with how the software dev field talks about sharing AI openly.

And I'm literally an open culture advocate for over a decade, and have helped hundreds of ppl start open community projects. If there's anyone who's be excited for open collaboration, it's me! :)

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