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1. troupe+Kd1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 18:04:16
>>modele+(OP)
If OpenAI became a non-profit with this in its charter:

“resulting technology will benefit the public and the corporation will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable. The corporation is not organized for the private gain of any person"

I don't think it is going to be hard to show that they are doing something very different than what they said they were going to do.

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2. Aloisi+sI1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 20:42:46
>>troupe+Kd1
Let's say for the sake of argument that they violated their original charter, it still wouldn't give Musk standing to bring the suit.

The charter is not a contract with Musk. He has no more standing than you or I.

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3. Mattic+sN1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 21:14:45
>>Aloisi+sI1
If Musk's tens of millions in donations were in reliance on the charter and on statements made by sama, Brockman, etc., there's probably a standing argument there. Musk is very different than you or I -- he's a co-founder of the company and was very involved in its early work. I wouldn't guess that standing would be the issue they'd have trouble with (though I haven't read the complaint).
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4. Aloisi+uR1[view] [source] 2024-03-01 21:41:24
>>Mattic+sN1
I don't see how being a former co-founder or a donor gives one standing for this.

He has no ownership stake. He isn't a director or member of the organization. The thing he claims is a contract he's party to, isn't.

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5. krick+f42[view] [source] 2024-03-01 23:09:29
>>Aloisi+uR1
I have no idea if he has any standing or not, but from your reasoning it doesn't follow that he doesn't. If I put a box with a sign on a street "Donate to such and such charity to save dolphins", and you give me money only to later find out that I have nothing to do with that charity and your money will be spent on my new car, I scammed you, plain and simple, and you can sue me. Was this sign a contract with you? No. Do I become a stakeholder when I donate my money to charity? Obviously not. But it's a scam nevertheless. In fact, you don't even have to be a victim start litigation, but you can claim compensation if you were.

So, once again, I have absolutely zero idea if OpanAI can be held accountable for not following their charter or not, but if they do, anyone can raise a complaint, and since Musk did give them money to save dolphins or whatever, he may actually be considered the victim.

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6. makeit+na2[view] [source] 2024-03-01 23:54:12
>>krick+f42
Here it's probably closer to you hanging a "give me money to help me find ways to save the dolphins and I promise I'll write a report on it" sign, someone gives you 10k but they're back a month later to sue you because you're eating pizza with the money while watching Free Willy.

There's a moral argument perhaps...but from a layman's perspective it's a really dumb case. Now, dumb cases sometimes win, so who knows.

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