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1. causi+N4[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:12:25
>>eswat+(OP)
It's quite bizarre any jurisdiction would allow someone to buy housing there when they can't legally live in it.
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2. alchem+67[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:20:56
>>causi+N4
Why? Should we restrict other investments with similar logic? For example should non-residents not be allowed to purchase vacation properties and lease them?

The impulse to enlist the government to regulate private property and investments is not productive and results in endless encroachment of individual liberties and rights to governments.

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3. tslocu+4a[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:32:51
>>alchem+67
Yes. Restricting foreigners from owning domestic assets is the beginning. Next comes restricting / heavily taxing domestic owners that own more than one home. Sooner or later, housing gets closer to being what it's supposed to be (shelter and space for people who need it) rather than a financial vehicle.
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4. alchem+3e[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:47:16
>>tslocu+4a
This proposal is a slippery slope to economic disaster. First, restricting ownership rights—foreign or domestic—distorts the market, disincentivizes investment, and ultimately harms those it claims to help by reducing the supply of housing. Second, treating homes purely as shelter ignores the reality that property is also an investment and a key component of individual wealth and economic freedom. Imposing heavy taxes on those owning more than one home would not only penalize success but also discourage rental market contributions, exacerbating the housing shortage. The real solution lies in encouraging development and reducing bureaucratic barriers to increase housing supply, not in draconian measures that trample on property rights and stifle economic growth. Let’s not replace a market-driven approach with a command economy that history has repeatedly shown to fail.
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5. denton+sr[view] [source] 2024-02-06 19:42:10
>>alchem+3e
> treating homes purely as shelter ignores the reality that property is also an investment

But that's the problem, isn't it? The basic necessities of life shouldn't become a vehicle for speculation.

FTR, all of my wealth is in two homes.

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6. alchem+7E[view] [source] 2024-02-06 20:39:49
>>denton+sr
Asserting that housing—or any basic necessity—shouldn’t be an investment is a dangerously naive stance that flies in the face of economic reality and human history. Consider food, water, healthcare—all necessities, yet all benefit from private investment and innovation. The collectivist dream to strip away the investment aspect of housing is a recipe for disaster, leading to shortages, degradation, and inefficiency. Your stance isn’t just misguided; it’s empirically proven to fail, fostering misery under the guise of equality. Housing, like any resource, flourishes under conditions of freedom, not under the heavy hand of state control. To suggest otherwise is to ignore the lessons of history and to jeopardize the very foundations of prosperity and freedom.
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7. denton+PM[view] [source] 2024-02-06 21:20:05
>>alchem+7E
> Consider food, water, healthcare—all necessities, yet all benefit from private investment and innovation.

I live beside the river Thames, which private "investment" has transformed into a sewer. My access to food has shrunk; I used to have access to butchers, greengrocers and so on. Now all my food comes from supermarkets. The health system I depend on has been gradually privatized, and it is now at breaking point.

> the lessons of history

History is squishy stuff; we mould it to support the conclusions we want to draw.

[Edit] I'm interested that you didn't challenge my equating of investment with speculation, because I didn't mention investment. Obviously, without capital investment, you don't get capital assets like houses. But my neighbourhood is blighted by absentee landlords; one neighbour is an AirBnB, the other has been empty for 5 years. Both are owned by absentee landlords, one living 2,000Km away. That's not investment; that's speculation.

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8. alchem+R31[view] [source] 2024-02-06 22:40:49
>>denton+PM
Blaming private investment for pollution and housing issues ignores the core role of government in regulating externalities and protecting property rights. The Thames’ state isn’t due to market failure but government inaction, a prime example of state failure. Moreover, the economic decline witnessed in the UK isn’t caused by capitalism but by anti-market policies stifling competitiveness. The real issue is the collectivist delusion that more state control is the solution, ignoring that such approaches have consistently led to further decline. Misplacing blame on capitalism and pining for socialism only exacerbates the problems, diverting us from the proven path to prosperity: free markets and effective, limited government intervention.

Lamenting the rise of supermarkets as a death knell for local butchers and greengrocers is a misplaced nostalgia that ignores consumer choice and market efficiency. Supermarkets thrive because they offer what consumers demand: variety, convenience, and affordability. To decry this as a market failure is to advocate for a return to less efficient, more costly ways of living, under the guise of preserving tradition. It’s an affront to consumer sovereignty and a free market that naturally evolves to meet changing societal needs. Yearning for a past that restricts choice and elevates prices is a backward step, not progress.

Criticizing absentee landlords as mere speculators ignores the benefits they bring: paying property taxes and injecting capital into the economy. This isn’t about speculation; it’s about fulfilling market demand and facilitating economic activity. The real issue lies in state-imposed barriers that prevent adequate housing supply, not in the actions of individual investors. Blaming investors for taking advantage of market opportunities is misguided and diverts attention from necessary reforms to increase housing availability and affordability.

The collectivist dismissal of history as "squishy" is a deliberate evasion of undeniable truths. History is replete with the failures of socialism and the triumphs of capitalism. To mold it to fit a narrative that justifies state control and collectivism is intellectually dishonest and dangerously naive. The empirical evidence is clear: wherever socialism has been tried, it has led to economic stagnation, misery, and the erosion of freedoms. Capitalism has lifted billions out of poverty and spurred innovation and prosperity unmatched by any collectivist scheme. Ignoring these facts is not just an error in judgment; it's a willful blindness to the lessons that history has painstakingly taught us about the superiority of market freedom over state control.

Whenever the cry of "market failure" echoes, a closer inspection often reveals the true culprit: state failure. "If someone considers that there is a market failure, I would suggest that they check to see if there is state intervention involved. And if they find that that’s not the case, I would suggest that they check again, because obviously there’s a mistake." This wisdom holds true across the spectrum of economic grievances. Time and again, what is hastily labeled as a failure of capitalism turns out to be the unintended consequences of excessive regulation, misguided policies, or government overreach. The path to prosperity is not paved by increasing state control but by unleashing the creative and productive powers of the free market.

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9. montjo+yj3[view] [source] 2024-02-07 16:27:00
>>alchem+R31
I think in an ideal world you’re right. Ideally if housing costs were too expensive I would just move somewhere else. However we live in a world where there are borders and immigration policies and violence and relationships and jobs and climates that make moving around hard. Housing is a hard problem because there are limited resources for where people want to/can live. It’s a type of natural monopoly. I’m pretty sure history has abundant examples of what happens when you allow natural monopolies to run unchecked. Personally I’d rather have a mismanaged democratic government in charge of the monopoly than any private entity.
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