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[return to ""Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto real estate bubble: HSBC bank leaks"]
1. maxglu+O8[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:27:19
>>eswat+(OP)
>The whistleblower, whomThe Bureau is calling D.M., immigrated to Canada as an international student from India, making him a minority among mostly Chinese-Canadian co-workers at the Aurora branch.

I mean it's real Chinese income backed by fake paperwork. There's PRC capital controls, rich PRC national who buy RE abroad are going to do it via laundering services and has been for decade+. Banks are fine with this and have dedicated branches in diasphora area to handle because the money is good and reliable. Sometimes rich Chinese immigrants also do odd jobs to fill time, bored aunties with multi million dollar mansions in Richmond working shifts at River Rock Casino. It's a bizarre world.

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2. seanmc+5b[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:35:33
>>maxglu+O8
It could be real Chinese income backed by fake paper work (money laundering) or fake income backed by fake paper work (fraud). You can take out $50k per year, a lot more via exemptions, so you don’t need money laundering to get money out of china into the USA (I had to move a few hundred K before, all the paper work was legit).
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3. maxglu+ke[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:48:05
>>seanmc+5b
I presume you were foreign national with more options. Options for diasphora Chinese, many who illegally hold dual citizenship and relies on PRC nationality to do transactions/capital flight in PRC is different.

I highlighted the original quote where branch is mostly Chinese-Canadian for context. Aurora is 20% Chinese, it's a big diasphora neighbourhood. There isn't some big "fake chinese income" conspiracy, it's the entire (proven) business plan (money laundering) with occasional fraud. I think pretty much everyone knew Chinese are buying million+ propertiers with laundered money, and it fuels the bubble as much as any other foreign buyer.

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4. seanmc+Ug[view] [source] 2024-02-06 18:57:42
>>maxglu+ke
Ya, foreign nationals are allowed to export their earnings. But even Chinese citizens can also pool those $50k yearly allocations, it doesn’t take a lot of friends and family to do that.

I’m not really sure what is happening among the rich, but among the middle class, it isn’t so much money laundering but having lots of savings with no good investment options, or just wanting to make money while someone else takes on the risk. They don’t have access to money that needs laundering.

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5. jabban+4n[view] [source] 2024-02-06 19:22:38
>>seanmc+Ug
> But even Chinese citizens can also pool those $50k yearly allocations, it doesn’t take a lot of friends and family to do that.

So as an observer of this, you will see money coming out of one place, spread to many accounts, wired overseas to different recipients, then re-aggregated...

What do you think that looks like...? Surely not money laundering?

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6. maxglu+sn[view] [source] 2024-02-06 19:24:57
>>jabban+4n
Not on Canada's end, it's a bunch of people using legal capital controls to get money into Canada. On PRC end, it's evading capital controls, which depending on your geopolitical alignment, can be illegal activity. But if you're in the west, you want that Chinese money. Free money from competitotrs as good as brain drain from competitors.
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7. fennec+Pz1[view] [source] 2024-02-07 02:42:52
>>maxglu+sn
It's not free money if house prices are pumped and sold, profits then returned to China.

They used to try to overbuy milk powder in NZ, ignoring supermarket limits imposed bc NZ mothers couldn't find enough formula for their kids. Chinese buyers would sell it back to China to make a tidy profit, after their baby formula scandal drove demand for foreign baby formula (which still exists today). Worked at a supermarket at start of uni, got so fucking sick of being screamed at in mandarin bc I refuse to sell them 30 tins when the limit was 2. Over and over, every damn shift.

Source that isn't me: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/china-buys-up-big-in-nz-baby-m...

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8. maxglu+kW1[view] [source] 2024-02-07 06:32:44
>>fennec+Pz1
>profits then returned to China

Are those profits returning to China? If they wanted profit they would invest in Chine RE which (until recently) was much more profitable and speculative than western RE. Western RE investment was for capital flight to bring wealth abroad. Very few want to bring money INTO PRC.

Baby formula actually great example, at least from what I know in AU market. Yeah you had the occasional tourists bringing back a few cans to savec money, but the sellers getting 30 tins and doing weekly shippments to regular customers in PRC were getting paid in AUD. $60 per tin into AU economy flipping milk powder. It's a good gig, it's no real estate money though. You can argue it's net bad for society because some gain at society loss, but that's how it be in capitalism. Some interests profit at the cost of others. And the interests who profit from PRC money, arguably the establishment, wants to keep profitting.

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