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1. next_x+w6[view] [source] 2024-02-02 16:50:18
>>Robin8+(OP)
Don’t the vast majority of these get removed via flags from users?

Edit: I’m not asking a rhetorical question. There are a lot of comments in this thread thanking “the mods” and I didn’t realize there was a mod team cultivating the front page. Can anyone attest to this?

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2. lolind+4g[view] [source] 2024-02-02 17:33:38
>>next_x+w6
This is accurate, per dang's comment on the Gary Tan thread the other day:

> We didn't flag the post; users did. When it comes to submissions, that's nearly always the case - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

>>39169622

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3. mandma+Jq[view] [source] 2024-02-02 18:19:36
>>lolind+4g
There are stories on this list that deserved to be seen, were popular, were important, and were not in fact dumpster fires in the comments - but a particular crowd with a particular bias decided to flag them.

Example 1: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39142094

Example 2: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39130652

Example 3: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39214844

Does this crowd think it's cool and normal that all discussion of the ICJ's decision - truly momentous - were completely removed, based on the opinion of a dedicated minority?

US tech giants are heavily implicated in this, so no one can seriously argue the topic isn't relevant. A World War could come from these "plausibly genocidal" actions, which are enabled in various ways by US tech giants.

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4. fragme+ws[view] [source] 2024-02-02 18:27:10
>>mandma+Jq
There's a certain element that doesn't want to discuss politics at all, so I imagine these ran afoul of that crowd. This is a tech-oriented site, and we're not going to come up with a Middle East peace plan in the comments.
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5. mandma+4E[view] [source] 2024-02-02 19:24:41
>>fragme+ws
> This is a tech-oriented site

Exactly. Big tech has been staggeringly complicit in these oh-so documented war crimes. For example, AI is being used to 'target' people, even in refugee camps and residential areas; even when hundreds of civilian casualties are predicted. This has been admitted - even boasted about.

As tech people, we can't just stick our heads in the sand and expect this not to come back on us. We're enabling this destruction in myriad ways, from funding to coercion to suppression of discussion [cough].

Genocide isn't just politics. We are legally bound as a nation, and morally obligated as humans, to prevent it. Instead, the US and many its tech companies are complicit.

If we can't even discuss the ICJ ruling that this may well be in fact a genocide, even when people are behaving and upvoting without breaking guidelines, then imo something very important has been broken.

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6. lukan+lI[view] [source] 2024-02-02 19:48:15
>>mandma+4E
"We are legally bound as a nation"

"We" ain't all americans. There are people here coming from opposing sides in various wars. And there are more wars and slaughtering going on, than in the middle east. And "we" are just tech people. Not better or worse by principle, which shows off very easily as there can be religious flame wars about software already. So it would be good, if we could debate all this in a nice way. But apparently we cannot. This is why many people want NO politics here at all. As there is usually nothing coming out of it, except more of the usual - and not interesting discussions.

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7. mandma+ZQ[view] [source] 2024-02-02 20:24:22
>>lukan+lI
> "We" ain't all americans.

The vast majority of English speaking countries signed the Genocide Convention, if not all [0]

> This is why many people want NO politics here at all.

They're not a majority, far from it. And the rules don't say "NO politics"; that would be absurd. Tech and politics overlap often - as they do here.

0 - https://www.statista.com/chart/22194/countries-that-havent-r...

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8. lukan+HU[view] [source] 2024-02-02 20:40:15
>>mandma+ZQ
The basic metric this site optimizes for is: "interesting discussion". So yes, sometimes there can be interesting discussion about political topics. But most of the times - not so much. And what you apparently want is activism, not discussion. Not to say your activism is bad - but this site is simply not made for activism of any kind. Activism is controversial. Which means flame war.
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9. mandma+uh1[view] [source] 2024-02-02 22:40:46
>>lukan+HU
> what you apparently want is activism, not discussion

I'd call the flaggers colluding to spike stories with lively and non toxic discussions the 'activists'.

> Activism is controversial. Which means flame war.

So add a flame war tag, or a politics tag, and let people filter it. Filter it with AI. Grow a thicker skin, or expand your mind - there's a lot of options. Suppressing anything with a whiff of controversy doesn't result in positive outcomes.

Besides; freedom of speech, and free exchange of ideas, are both decidedly in the "good hacker" wheelhouse.

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10. lukan+Jk1[view] [source] 2024-02-02 23:02:01
>>mandma+uh1
"and non toxic discussions"

Have you seen one discussion about Gaza free of that? I haven't. (My main account is rate limited, because of a recent Gaza debate btw. Because I like heated discussions from time to time. But I can respect that it is not wanted here)

"So add a flame war tag, or a politics tag, and let people filter it. Filter it with AI. Grow a thicker skin, or expand your mind - there's a lot of options."

So one of those options are, you start your own forum, where you can have all that, instead of demanding that other people and places change to your liking. Just a suggestion.

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