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>>Robin8+(OP)
I don't have a problem with users building things like this because the principles by which HN works are all easy enough to explain and defend—just remember that anything this complex is inevitably a mess, so you need to have high tolerance for messiness if you want to understand it accurately.

However, it's important to correct inaccuracies like the one mentioned here: >>39231537 . Robin89, can you please fix the text? I know it was just a mistaken good-faith assumption but it's super wrong.

Also, it would make it easier for me to respond to the questions here if you'd link the HN IDs on your page to the actual HN threads. Currently they link to social-protocols.org. Obviously you can link to whatever you want but I'm having trouble tracing the questions here. Everyone has their own list of "what happened to story X, Y, Z, and what about W and V and J too" and while I'm happy to answer all those in principle, there are physical limits on how many I can work through.

I'm going to be in meetings for most of the next few hours but I'll try to answer questions in this thread later, assuming I don't drown in it.

>>dang+Bh
> Robin89, can you please fix the text? know that was just a mistaken good-faith assumption but it's super wrong.

How can he/we verify it's wrong? The down-weighting you describe is not visible to users. Even OP won't know.

You can say that down-weighting happens, but we're asking to see where down-weighting happens.

>>rhaksw+iw
Additionally, just because it’s possible that this could happen doesn’t really give us an idea of how likely it is. Is it one of those theoretically possible, but it never actually happens events? there’s a huge difference between it impacting half of the stories that fall off that quickly, and it impacting 1 in 10,000 stories that fall off that quickly.

>>bnralt+Gz
Communities would get a good sense for the frequency if forums would simply disclose content moderation to the submitting users. Offending users would learn what's not allowed and share that with the community.

But today's forums frequently do not disclose moderation to submitting users, and that is why we are now seeing major court cases over 230, government-led censorship, etc.

>>rhaksw+KA
I don't know anything about other forums, but for the reasons why on HN we don't publish a full moderation log, see >>39234189 as well as the past explanations linked from there.

You can, however, always get a question answered. That's basically our implicit contract with the community.

>>dang+df1
Full moderation logs are different than showing submitters how their posts have been moderated.

On HN, my understanding is that you (moderators) can penalize stories without the submitter's knowledge. But if HN instead disclosed that penalty to the story's submitter, that would help this community communicate better.

As for how it works elsewhere, if a YouTube channel removes your comment, you won't know [1]. Same thing on Reddit, Facebook, and X. So while HN is relatively small, the practice of withholding content moderation decisions from submitters/commenters is widespread.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e6BIkKBZpg