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1. badreq+z8[view] [source] 2024-02-02 02:38:26
>>Strato+(OP)
> Tan, for his part, apologized over the weekend, noting that his post was a reference to a Tupac Shakur lyric

Ah, so if it's a quote, it doesn't matter, because even though you've decided when to use them, they're not "your words"

Thanks, going to publish press releases with Cannibal Corpse lyrics going forward.

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2. bhawks+Ue[view] [source] 2024-02-02 03:34:47
>>badreq+z8
The fact that it is a quote (which I didn't know) moves it out of the extremely disturbing category and into the extremely cringe & very disappointing category.

SF politics is a clown show on all sides - Garry has lost serious credibility that he could play some part in cleaning it up. I think he knows that.

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3. TeMPOr+7u[view] [source] 2024-02-02 06:09:46
>>bhawks+Ue
To me, it's extremely disturbing that someone would consider this whole thing as extremely disturbing in the first place.

Whether people in the US are extremely oversenstive to tweets and words, or that the tweets and words have the power to suddenly make regular people hateful and violent - neither of those states are normal.

Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which again would... not be a normal state of things.

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4. Araina+Kw[view] [source] 2024-02-02 06:43:20
>>TeMPOr+7u
Posting that you want a group of city councilors to die is not normal behavior. It's not normal when sober, it's not normal on alcohol, it's not normal for any functioning member of society. Anyone saying these things is disturbing. The fact that someone who a number of people believe is intelligent and worth listening to would say such things is extremely disturbing.
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5. roenxi+HS[view] [source] 2024-02-02 10:30:25
>>Araina+Kw
> ... not normal behavior ...

Are we sure about that? There are politicians who have coordinated/enabled things with consequences that would justify capital punishment if someone believes in that as an option. For example, from a raw moral perspective a reasonable person could support executing the entire congressional Aye vote for the US sending the army into Afghanistan.

That would be a terrible mistake, because the incentives don't check out, politics would become a bloodbath when people make honest mistakes, bloody vengeance helps no-one and there is a plausible question around whether the person voting is making a personal decision or just trying to channel their voters. But since it is a superficially reasonable position I assume people would say that sort of thing regularly. To argue it out and learn why it is a bad idea, if nothing else.

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6. kyleam+D61[view] [source] 2024-02-02 12:54:58
>>roenxi+HS
In the situation you posit, that sort of action would come from a vote, not a single person's vigilante call for action. That is the difference.

While I'd argue for a normal person that posting something like that would just fly under the radar and disappear into the aether of the internet, the same does not apply to someone who heads a large publicly visible company, and who posts publicly on an account associated (implicitly) with that company.

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7. roenxi+x81[view] [source] 2024-02-02 13:13:08
>>kyleam+D61
Well,

1. Votes come at the end of a process starting with someone calling for action. Has to be a first person to bring the idea up; and Twitter is as good a place for public debate as we have. (If only people could master the longform paragraph, or even essay-length debate and move to somewhere a bit more nuanced.)

2. Reflecting on the "Die slow motherfuckers" for a little while - Tan didn't actually make a call for action. Exactly what that means is ambiguous, and it is without a doubt poor form.

> someone who heads a large publicly visible company

If the board wants to sack him I could certainly see that happening. Although as a practical matter, I don't think this is a sustainable standard. A good CEO is worth their weight in gold, sacking them over being a Twitter troll from time to time seems like a bad call. Musk is an example; both a troll and also a pretty amazing CEO. The right thing to do might be to tolerate the situation unless the pressure gets overwhelming.

On that point we've been tolerating outward displays of political speech from corporations for a while. I'm against it both on principle and because it is typically left-wing-aligned but since it happens I don't see why this sort of political diatribe is needs to be stepped on. Dude has political opinions. We all do.

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