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1. cies+JT1[view] [source] 2024-01-28 10:35:42
>>onnnon+(OP)
I used to worry about climate (80s), now I dont (20s).

Why?

1. Too many lies. In the 80s the water level was rising, but it didn't. Then acid rains would kill all, but did not. Then ...

2. I cannot change it. Using fossils (or other tech with big "environmental" impact) is a great way to scale business. The "economy God" is to important to actually go an fix the problem. That why we see no real solutions being implemented and climate agreements being ignored/ not signed.

3. The focus on CO2 is stupid. There are worse problems: fine dust, pollution, disruption of ecosystems. But we now totally focus on CO2 (or CO2-equevalents).

I do have a solution. Remove (gradually) all taxation, in favor tax on pollution and usage of particular scarce resources (e.g. land, water, fossils, radio frequencies, etc.) This way the market will solve the problem. Housing and labour (two examples of wholesome things that are currently heavily taxed) will become a lot cheaper, and polluting will become expensive.

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2. floodl+102[view] [source] 2024-01-28 11:38:35
>>cies+JT1
> This way the market will solve the problem

Capitalism has shown itself to have a complete inability to correctly price in the value of ecosystem services and the costs of environmental externalities. The profit cycle also operates on too small a timeframe for these climate issues.

Thinking the market will save us is just a convienient pipe dream.

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3. cies+A22[view] [source] 2024-01-28 12:01:51
>>floodl+102
capitalism is not the same as having markets.

https://www.minorcompositions.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/1...

good book on the topic ^^^

> Thinking the market will save us is just a convienient pipe dream.

I think you should dig a little deeper into my comment before calling me out on my supposed pipe dreams.

I say taxation (which is NOT a market force, but a govt intervention in a market) can be used to then let the market fix the problem. Especially given that I also say that tax on "wholesome" things such as labour and housing should be abolished. To break it down for you: a massage these days costs, say, 50 USD for 30mins, because labour and the parlours location are expensive. For 50 USD I can order bin bags full of plastic rubbish (toys) from China (plastic, transport, im/ex, are all suuuuuuper cheap). I suggest to use taxation to the other way: make labour/housing cheap and transport/plastic expensive.

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