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>>ssgodd+(OP)
I hope this results in Fair Use being expanded to cover AI training. This is way more important to humanity's future than any single media outlet. If the NYT goes under, a dozen similar outlets can replace them overnight. If we lose AI to stupid IP battles in its infancy, we end up handicapping probably the single most important development in human history just to protect some ancient newspaper. Then another country is going to do it anyway, and still the NYT is going to get eaten.

>>solard+Aj
Why using authored NYT articles is “stupid IP battles” and having to pay for the trained model with them is not stupid?

>>melena+Xo
> Why using authored NYT articles is “stupid IP battles”

When an AI uses information from an article it's no difference from me doing it in a blog post. If I'm just summarizing or referencing it, that's fair use, since that's my 'take' on the content.

> having to pay for the trained model with them is not stupid?

Because you can charge for anything you want. I can also charge for my summaries of NYT articles.

>>insani+Eu
If you include entire paragraphs without citing, that's copyright violation, not fair use. If your blog was big enough to matter NYT would definitely sue.

A human makes their own choices about what to disseminate, whereas these are singular for-profit services that anybody can query. The prompt injection attacks that reveal the original text show that the originals are retrievable, so if OpenAI et al cannot exchaustively prove that it will _never_ output copyrighted text without citation, then it's game over.